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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 01/03/2018 06:43 AM, DK7FC wrote: > Am 03.01.2018 00:37, schrieb N1BUG: >> I was forced to stop calling CQ on JT9 at 2320 UT when my PA again >> became unstable. > So it is a thermal problem!? Sure seems so, but nothing appears to warm up much. On MF the case of the FET feels just slightly warm after a minute or two of transmitting, but the cores, capacitors and heat sink don't feel warm after 30 minutes of 40% duty cycle operation. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: Re: LF: MF: CQ stopped, problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false On 01/03/2018 06:43 AM, DK7FC wrote: > Am 03.01.2018 00:37, schrieb N1BUG: >> I was forced to stop calling CQ on JT9 at 2320 UT when my PA again >> became unstable. > So it is a thermal problem!? Sure seems so, but nothing appears to warm up much. On MF the case of the FET feels just slightly warm after a minute or two of transmitting, but the cores, capacitors and heat sink don't feel warm after 30 minutes of 40% duty cycle operation. On LF the situation is similar except that the case of the FET becomes very warm after a transmitting for some tens of seconds. It settles down to the heat sink temperature (slightly above ambient in the room) within 10 seconds or so after I stop transmitting. >> On MF it will make about twice as much power into the antenna before >> it has problems. > Usually LF should be easier than MF. If MF is easier, than it could be > saturation of cores (at LF) or too low time constants of RC components. > But if the cores stays cold and the voltages are constant, this should > not happen. Voltage is very constant. >> On MF it is much more efficient with the FET running almost cold >> compared to very warm at half the power level on LF. > Then you should use more turns on your 1:9 transformer!! E.g. 3x10 turns > instead of 3x5 turns. That is the one thing I have not tried yet! Today I will rewind that transformer with 3x10 turns. I will try to use slightly thicker wire if I can find something suitable around here. Let us see what happens... It is still a mystery why these problems do not occur when running into a dummy load. Could not having enough turns on the transformer cause the PA to be more sensitive to slightly reactive loads or loads that are very reactive out of band? Paul