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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jay wrote: > the BIG coil has since been decommissioned. What a shame, it would at least have made a great Tesla coil. But it illustrates the obstacle to getting going on VLF - so few stations. The nearest rx or tx is likely to be out of range to begin with. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c9d6a1e47761f7ec7375ac340bef30d0 Subject: Re: LF: W4DEX EbNaut in CT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Jay wrote: > the BIG coil has since been decommissioned. What a shame, it would at least have made a great Tesla coil. But it illustrates the obstacle to getting going on VLF - so few stations. The nearest rx or tx is likely to be out of range to begin with. I couldn't have received W1VLF at the time, but 3 years later there would have been a good chance. Stefan wrote: > We were looking in 4.5 mHz spectrograms or wider... Yes I was using MSF 60kHz for frequency lock and no absolute phase reference. Many incremental improvements since then, but the major gains for receiving are use of GPS for timing (enabling much narrower bandwidths and absolute phase reference), and use of strong sferic blanking (which can gain up to 20dB). For transmitting, also the use of GPS, and a move away from inefficient modes such as QRSS, to MFSK and coherent BPSK. I guess Paul W1VLF was just a couple of years ahead of us there. > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/ss100315a.png Gosh, 3 fT was a huge signal! Now it is possible to decode messages from 0.03 fT. We should think about ways to encourage more interest in VLF. I suspect that not many amateurs are aware of the activity. Chatting with a colleague at work the other day, a radio ham, he had no idea that people were operating at VLF. There are about a dozen major amateur radio journals, but as far as I know, none have carried any articles about VLF. I would have thought that the big LF players at least, would be interested. Certainly those that have had a go have found great success and in most cases they already have suitable antennas and they know how to wind loading coils and build hefty amplifiers. Now I'm half tempted to write an article, but I can only write about receiving. -- Paul Nicholson --