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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Chris, With the 2.2 V, drive an optocoupler! Like 4N28, CNY17/4 or similar. This can be done with 2.2 V (use a resistor of a few 10 Ohm, calculate it). It shifts the level to a 12V logic. The slightly distorted signal will look perfect after the divide by 2 stage and will have a perfect 50% duty cycle. Then drive a MOF-FET driver with this signal. BTW for a class-D PA with opposite phase gate voltages i would generally receommend to use a gate transformer! It makes sure that there can never be a positive voltage on both gates to the same time, since vgs1 is always -vgs2, what ever transients are doing. Then you don't need to care about propagation delay, rise time and such stuff. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: d7907c3bf895ca41e0bedc3fa074f0d4 Subject: Re: LF: Si5351A syntehsiser able to fire a FET driver chip directly?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Chris, With the 2.2 V, drive an optocoupler! Like 4N28, CNY17/4 or similar. This can be done with 2.2 V (use a resistor of a few 10 Ohm, calculate it). It shifts the level to a 12V logic. The slightly distorted signal will look perfect after the divide by 2 stage and will have a perfect 50% duty cycle. Then drive a MOF-FET driver with this signal. BTW for a class-D PA with opposite phase gate voltages i would generally receommend to use a gate transformer! It makes sure that there can never be a positive voltage on both gates to the same time, since vgs1 is always -vgs2, what ever transients are doing. Then you don't need to care about propagation delay, rise time and such stuff. 73, Stefan Am 01.01.2018 11:38, schrieb Chris Wilson: > > Hello LF'ers, and a happy and healthy New Year to you all. > > I use my U3S QRP Labs exciter to drive a PA on 137kHz, and it works > fine. Hans, the designer, made changes allowing a 180 degree out of > phase pair of signals to come from the Si5351A synthesizer chip with > the intention of this being able to drive a push pull Class D FET > driver chip directly without a X2 signal being divided and split by a > preceding IC, please see original and simplified circuits below. I > tried this but it appears the circa 2.2V outputs of the Si5351A chip > are not sufficient to drive the inputs of the IR2110 FET driver. > > Any ideas please? Thanks. > > Original PA circuit (works fine with "normal" U3S driving the 74F74 > direct with CLK0 output): > > http://www.gatesgarth.com/amp.jpg > > > > Modded amp circuit (simplified in the hope of building with one less > IC): > > http://www.gatesgarth.com/amp-modded.jpg > > > > IR2110FET driver specs: > > http://www.gatesgarth.com/IR2110.pdf > > > > 74F74 IC specs: > > http://www.gatesgarth.com/74F74.pdf > > > U3S schematic: > > http://www.gatesgarth.com/u3s-schematic.jpg > > > > >