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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I'm sure a lot more can be done with coherent operation at LF. A few BPSK messages have been sent, distance record is 5418 km (VO1NA to IZ7SLZ, Nov 2015). Little use has been made of very narrow bandwidths and it is not clear what the LF band can support in that respect. 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A few BPSK messages have been sent, distance record is 5418 km (VO1NA to IZ7SLZ, Nov 2015). Little use has been made of very narrow bandwidths and it is not clear what the LF band can support in that respect. My VLF receivers are intended to also work at LF but not yet tested on-air. When I get the chance, I'll tee off some signal from the VLF rxs into a BT878 card to see how reception looks on E and H. Now I'm thinking about a 3-channel mixer. After some thought I decided the best option for a coherent rx for 137kHz is to use a NEO-M8T. This has two timepulse outputs: one can be configured for 1PPS to discipline the sound card, the other provides the local oscillator. The M8T has a timing mode where it assumes the position is fixed and thus produces more accurate timing signals. The M8T are not so easy to buy, or as cheap. I just ordered one of these boards - http://www.csgshop.com/product.php?id_product=218 I think it comes from Latvia. It's a lot cheaper than the Ublox development board. To go with it, I ordered another Octo sound card for the RPi, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y3PZ6MF/ No longer listed on Amazon UK, these are getting harder to buy and may soon be obsolete. There's some talk of an upgraded version. Traditionally, upgrades to a good soundcard produce a card which is not so good for radio work (but has a lot of extra useless features), so I'm not hopeful. That's the easy bit done. I think the main challenge will be to work out how to do some tight filtering without introducing nasty temperature dependence of phase and amplitude response. -- Paul Nicholson --