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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Markus, > Could the scope "blurring " be caused > by a high-frequency rather than low-frequency oscillation? It's possible but what I see is not what I would expect in that case. My experience has usually been that with a high frequency oscillation I see two sine waves: the fundamental and another with shorter period which is the HF oscillation. Here I don't usually see that. I see one sine wave keeping the same period but with amplitude "blur". No blur at the zero crossings, maximum blur at the positive and negative peaks. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: Re: R: Re: LF: TXing 2200m WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Markus, > Could the scope "blurring " be caused > by a high-frequency rather than low-frequency oscillation? It's possible but what I see is not what I would expect in that case. My experience has usually been that with a high frequency oscillation I see two sine waves: the fundamental and another with shorter period which is the HF oscillation. Here I don't usually see that. I see one sine wave keeping the same period but with amplitude "blur". No blur at the zero crossings, maximum blur at the positive and negative peaks. That is what I see most often when it is misbehaving somewhat mildly. But sometimes I do see two "clean" sine waves with slightly different period. To me this suggests oscillation near the fundamental frequency. I can usually (but not always) make it switch from the single blurred since wave to two clean ones with different period by increasing bias or RF drive. > Have you tried a > simple "snubber" network (e.g. 1 nF + 10 ohms) at the drain? No, but I will try it next. I don't have any high power 10 ohm resistors, but I suppose if there is significant HF energy the 10 ohm resistor burning up might be a clue. :-) I maybe could make a higher power 10 ohm resistor by putting a lot of chip capacitors in parallel, don't know what that would have for stray capacitance though. Paul N1BUG