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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: One final thing. Thought maybe something in the antenna was breaking down (arcing or corona), so made another check: I now have the capability to run the PA on 13V or 19V. At 19V I can make more power into the antenna before the signal goes dirty, compared to 13V. RF power is RF power. If it was something failing in the antenna system I think it should happen at the same RF power, no matter what DC supply voltage I use on the PA... [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Scan-Signature: 32d4aaaf019758ff5a0d8e92eec683e6 Subject: Re: R: Re: LF: TXing 2200m WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false One final thing. Thought maybe something in the antenna was breaking down (arcing or corona), so made another check: I now have the capability to run the PA on 13V or 19V. At 19V I can make more power into the antenna before the signal goes dirty, compared to 13V. RF power is RF power. If it was something failing in the antenna system I think it should happen at the same RF power, no matter what DC supply voltage I use on the PA... Paul On 12/29/2017 05:40 AM, N1BUG wrote: > During the night I made a few more tests... > > Iso xfmr at PA output. 14T:14T on FT-114-JC core. Made the problem > slightly WORSE. > > Iso xfmr at amp input. 4T:4T on 3 x BN73-202. Made the problem > slightly WORSE. > > Removed iso xfmr from amp output, left iso on PA input. Slightly > better than without iso anywhere, but still bad. > > Tried again all configurations of iso xfmrs (at antenna, at PA > output, at PA input) using HP 3325B to drive the PA. No difference > from using the Ultimate 3S. > > When I use an iso xfmr at the antenna the problem is WORSE than when > I have the coax connected to the antenna ground. It's not a big > change, but measurable and repeatable. > > Considered this might be an instrumentation problem with RF > affecting the HP 1980B oscilloscope, but I can see the signal > quality degrade in a receiver when the problem occurs so I don't > think so. > > I can try common mode chokes instead of isolation transformers, but > will this really be better? Seems if the problem is common mode > current the iso xfmrs should kill it...?? > > I still have a couple of ideas to try: Replace 50uH choke in PA with > different type core. Use completely separate bias supply. However > since the PA works perfect into a dummy load I am not sure the PA is > the problem. > > I will try to make a shielded box for the PA. That will take some time. > > The Ultimate 3S is in the metal case sold for it. This is not great > because of the paint (or powder coat) at mating surfaces. I will try > to work on that but since using the HP 3325B as a PA driver does not > make any change I have doubts this will help. > > Paul N1BUG > > -- Paul N1BUG 160m-2m DXCC Honor Roll WI2XTC 2200m-630m Experimental license FN55mf ME Piscataquis County http://www.n1bug.com http://www.aurorasentry.com