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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, > The C on the gate is not a good idea i think. Better try a 10...22 Ohm > resitor or a ferrite bead in front of the gate. I removed the C on the gate and added a 15 ohm resistor in front of the gate (in series with RF input to the gate). No change in performance. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re: LF: TXing 2200m WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Stefan, > The C on the gate is not a good idea i think. Better try a 10...22 Ohm > resitor or a ferrite bead in front of the gate. I removed the C on the gate and added a 15 ohm resistor in front of the gate (in series with RF input to the gate). No change in performance. > Is the bias voltage stable? It may be worth to spend 1000 uF parallel to > the Z diode. And a normal diode in front of the z diode, i.e. into the > yellow wire... I didn't have any 1000 uF but I put 470 uF in parallel to the Z diode, added a 1N4007 in series at the end of the yellow wire. No change in performance. At this point I became curious about the 1 uF C bypassing the +V lead of the blue core to ground. It seemed strange to have it bypassed with 1 uF there, then a series choke, then 2200 uF bypass. I could not find any published circuits like that. As a test (not having any idea what I was doing!) I removed the 1 uF bypass. The amp went completely crazy. So I decided to try some more C in parallel to the 1 uF. All I have are electrolytic caps, but I tried 10 uF. Stable output increased from 12W to 16W. What about even more C? I removed the 10 uF and put 100 uF in parallel to the 1 uF. No change from the 10 uF. It still does very strange things if I try to adjust bias for more than 16W. I don't know what this experiment tells me... > The blue core, maybe it saturates at higher power? Could be worth to try > 2 more turns and better use abt 0.5 mm wire for higher power. I will try that next if I find some suitable wire here. I also thought about trying a 10 turn bifilar winding instead of the trifilar. Again I have no idea what I am doing, but the worst that can happen is another dead FET. :) I have more. > But the design is not good for > 30 W or so. Don't expect to much from > an IRF530 at 13.8 V. I would be happy if I could get 25W stable from this amp. I can get 25W but it is not stable at that level. 73, Paul N1BUG