Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id vBUETtZt014647 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:29:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1eVI4c-00041f-K5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:25:18 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1eVI4c-00041W-B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:25:18 +0000 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eVI4Z-00086r-Ja for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:25:17 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A84C420E55 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:25:13 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=posteo.de Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1514643913; bh=5aWXH8OemBSJSljLR3LVNhRlWZED/s6jmVG0aHBYUqQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=louD+02ldCVJpYJkI76otyPRdXFw9zTy15LAXRFRxcSuMnt/Quy15+abOh5JFkxIR e/waVA5ZRs3NPi1CUPEV6vAztsbDjolnQuBqoc+vrL/Tw/zT6hlYuno2fWsLOOKW+M crXoTdUlR56KRdqDsccmQlpM5vX1fA9OUIlucqYCjZ3LKtLv303KhcCk0Lfs43txUo Y2yXgb+dAiiHEO0mcvL78usHnUceyIhllxyvUBVOM+5I1Yt7HejJqEKDAIyHmImgbF WAMUsEy506PwYFlqnP/FVbGEDdIJqqGI3vUuV+yk8qZMQYuYFJ/hJ6aYQqSRACJSEX CEBUI2f5VIJrg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3z85MX4ySwz9rxT for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:25:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5A47A1C8.2010003@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:25:12 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <160a7a62949-171d-2f322@webjas-vae049.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <160a7a62949-171d-2f322@webjas-vae049.srv.aolmail.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Am 30.12.2017 14:39, schrieb Markus Vester: > Hi Stefan, > > > ... and it would also rise the question if using 3rd party > propagation data is allowed to get a valid decode at all... > > In my opinion, the answer is yes. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b1e5ebccbad86c8ca1fd46d24f0285de Subject: Re: LF: VLF NA Ebnaut Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010607070006000008030107" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010607070006000008030107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 30.12.2017 14:39, schrieb Markus Vester: > Hi Stefan, > > > ... and it would also rise the question if using 3rd party > propagation data is allowed to get a valid decode at all... > > In my opinion, the answer is yes. Not for me. Hm, but maybe yes, with some limitations: Assuming my RX system has suffered a phase shift for what ever reason. And assume i was monitoring the Alphas during that time and i noticed that my phase jumped e.g. by -60 deg at 22:15 UTC. Then i would say it is valid to correct the phase of the received signal by 60 deg. BUT i have to find this observation on my own! Otherwise it is a success based on the help of others. 73, Stefan --------------010607070006000008030107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Am 30.12.2017 14:39, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Stefan,

> ... and it would also rise the question if using 3rd party propagation data is allowed to get a valid decode at all...

In my opinion, the answer is yes.

Not for me. Hm, but maybe yes, with some limitations: Assuming my RX system has suffered a phase shift for what ever reason. And assume i was monitoring the Alphas during that time and i noticed that my phase jumped e.g. by -60 deg at 22:15 UTC. Then i would say it is valid to correct the phase of the received signal by 60 deg. BUT i have to find this observation on my own! Otherwise it is a success based on the help of others.

73, Stefan


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