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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 12/18/17 20:03, DK7FC wrote: > Thanks Paul for the summary. > > Well, 8 days already and it gets worse. I think the phase changes are > not from my side, so it must be the path. > I think i will give up now with this 3 character message. But even a > failed attempt gives us a set of data showing the difficulties and phase > variations. > > On the other side, a single character message is to short to let it be > as it is. So i'm trying a new message with just 2 characters before > going down to 5170 Hz. > If possible, i daily feedback is apprechated. > > *f = 17470.1000 Hz > Start time: 18.Dec.2017 21:30:00 UTC > Symbol period: 45 s > Characters: 2 > CRC bits: 14 > Coding 16K21A > Duration: 09:12 [hh:mm] > Antenna current: 1.2 A* > > 73, Stefan [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ce0e5a4ae990e5a63db3ab7aea21191b Subject: Re: VLF: Transatlantic success East to West Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false On 12/18/17 20:03, DK7FC wrote: > Thanks Paul for the summary. > > Well, 8 days already and it gets worse. I think the phase changes are > not from my side, so it must be the path. > I think i will give up now with this 3 character message. But even a > failed attempt gives us a set of data showing the difficulties and phase > variations. > > On the other side, a single character message is to short to let it be > as it is. So i'm trying a new message with just 2 characters before > going down to 5170 Hz. > If possible, i daily feedback is apprechated. > > *f = 17470.1000 Hz > Start time: 18.Dec.2017  21:30:00 UTC > Symbol period: 45 s > Characters: 2 > CRC bits: 14 > Coding 16K21A > Duration: 09:12 [hh:mm] > Antenna current: 1.2 A* > > 73, Stefan Ok with that. We're seeing several dB night to night change in S/N and it doesn't follow the noise floor at Forest. Relative RMS noise amplitudes in 1Hz band around the signal: 10/11 Eb/N0 = -13.1 dB, noise = 2.12 11/12 Eb/N0 = -6.3 dB, noise = 5.49 12/13 Eb/N0 = -6.8 dB, noise = 3.60 13/14 Eb/N0 = -19.6 dB, noise = 1.75 (stopped 03:40) 14/15 Eb/N0 = -6.0 dB, noise = 2.60 15/16 Eb/N0 = -11.0 dB, noise = 2.54 16/17 Eb/N0 = -14.6 dB, noise = 2.27 17/18 Eb/N0 = -9.9 dB, noise = 3.03 (stopped 04:19) If anything, noisier nights are giving higher S/N. Looking at NAA 24kHz, I see variations of the night phase of up to 80 degrees. It looks as if stacking repeated signals isn't going to work so well at these high frequencies. At least it would need a dB or two devoting to a pilot carrier. You'll just have to double your antenna current Stefan! -- Paul Nicholson --