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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: New H rx under test http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/171216a.jpg with the box on the left injecting a calibrated current in parallel with the dummy antenna. This is an end-to-end test: antenna to sound card, with 150m cat5 and the isolating transformers. 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This is an end-to-end test: antenna to sound card, with 150m cat5 and the isolating transformers. Most of the testing is automatic: the VLF calibrator works through a time/frequency schedule and a vlfrx-tools script does the measurements to the same schedule. System noise measurement is a bit trickier. The output noise of the rx is only a little above the sound card's noise floor (in fact is lower at higher frequencies). I allow for this by subtracting the sound card noise power but to make it more accurate I set a 10dB higher rx gain than when deployed. That higher gain can't be used in the field because it would overload on the 50Hz and strong MSK signals. This illustrates the tough dynamic range requirement of a VLF rx, even when using a high quality sound card such as the 24 bit M-Audio 192. Intermod measurement is another tricky one. The sound card generates a 2-tone test at some high frequency, through a passive high pass filter into the rx. Rx output through a passive low pass back to the sound card input to measure the level of the difference frequency. Often a receiver will look good on this test but do badly on the antenna. The culprit is usually the strong 50 Hz signal distorting very slightly as it goes through the isolating transformers and modulating the whole band as it does so. The cure is to tailor the rx HP response so that the 50Hz is low enough not to cause noticeable intermod. What exactly 'noticeable' means depends on whether you're listening to whistlers and tweeks, or trying to dig a weak carrier out of the noise. In a bad case you can hear the intermod - the background noise has a sizzling buzz to it instead of a pure hiss. A not so bad case will not be audible but will raise the noise floor a few dB. The whole system: rx, transformers, and sound card, have to be impeccably linear to actually achieve the noise floor capability of the front-end device. The final thing to do is set the gain, which is fixed by components. I try to get within a factor of two either way by bench testing. When it's connected to the antenna I'll do some measurements then will probably have to bring it back in for final adjustment to the gain. As it stands, the 2 channels are matched to 0.52% at 8.3 kHz. Hopefully next week it will go outside for a real test. Only one pair of loops and feeder cable so can't run the old and new H rxs for a side-by-side comparison. I'll be making good use of some regular distant amateur signals. -- Paul Nicholson --