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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: A strong signal here in Nuernberg, showing an easily visible noise band on my grabber. But strangely no "E" decode came out. There might have been a propagation dip with a phase inversion around 13:20 UT. 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But strangely no "E" decode came out. There might have been a p= ropagation dip with a phase inversion around 13:20 UT. Best regards,=20 Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Riccardo Zoli An: LF Group ; DK7FC Verschickt: Di, 5. Dez 2017 20:23 Betreff: Re: VLF: First VLF detection DL > EA Hi Stefan, Luis, Paul, VLF this is my decode (the first in VLF). Very strong here, despite noisy reception. Stefan, please could you try to send a faster message after sunset, when SNR of your carrier is much better? I made some tests whith EbNaut decoder: " ****** " message appear on your carrier with 2 or 3 sec./sym (with a few +dBs of Eb/N0). All the best 73 de Riccardo IW4DXW 2017-12-04 21:49 GMT+00:00 DK7FC : > Hi VLF, > > Tomorrow i'm going to gtry to pass a first EbNaut message over to EA5DOM. > Here are the details: > > f =3D 17470.1000 Hz > Start time: 05.Dec.2017 07:00:00 UTC > Symbol period: 120 s > Characters: 1 > CRC bits: 6 > Coding 8K19A > Duration: 08:00 [hh:mm] > Antenna current: 1 A > > 73, Stefan > > > > Am 02.12.2017 13:31, schrieb VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez: > > Hi VLF > > Congratulations Stefan and thank you all for the good information exchang= es > in the reflector > > It is all the effort at your side Stefan. I still didn't do the homework = to > decrease the local QRM, which is > quite high as you can see in the 25KHz spectrogram. There is a very nasty > noise which appeared just > this last couple of days and affects exactly 17470Hz. It is random and ru= ns > for a couple hours. Can be seen > as vertical noise lines in the lower spectrograms and is very noticeable = in > the 47uH spectrogram > > It is my first detection of Ham activity under LF so far. And there is a = lot > to improve to get same results > at 8270Hz. A new Rx setup in a different (hopefully cleaner) QTH is in th= e > "To Do" list ;-) > > 73 de Luis > EA5DOM > > ________________________________ > De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] > en nombre de Daniele Caccia [daniele.caccia74@gmail.com] > Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 2 de diciembre de 2017 12:07 > Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Asunto: Re: VLF: First VLF detection DL > EA > > Dear VLF er > > Congratulations to all for the results obtained so far! > > Best regards from Daniele SWL I55387FI -ITALY- > > > > > > > 2017-12-02 10:30 GMT+01:00 Alberto Martinez : >> >> Congratulation Stefan and Luis! >> >> It=C2=B4s weak but seeable. very good work. >> >> 73. >> Alberto-EA4GHB >> >> 2017-12-02 9:57 GMT+01:00 DK7FC : >>> >>> Hello VLF friends, >>> >>> This morning i looked on the EA5DOM VLF grabber and saw much better >>> traces of the carrier on 17.4701 kHz. >>> https://ea5dom.ure.es/grabber/index.html >>> >>> I find this is a valid one-way contact or carrier detection and i think >>> it is the first time that this was done by amateurs between DL and EA. >>> A distance of 1393 km, http://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=3DIM98XN&from=3Djn49i= k00wd >>> >>> It looks like there is some QSB on that path, higher than observed a >>> similar distance at 8270 Hz. >>> We can now think about improvements and about a first message attempt..= . >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >> > ------=_Part_64174_1087351254.1512516104725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A strong signal here in Nuernberg= , showing an easily visible noise band on my grabber. But strangely no=  "E" decode came out. There might have been a propagation di= p with a phase inversion around 13:20 UT.

Best regards,
Markus (= DF6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCng= liche Mitteilung-----
Von: Riccardo Zoli <riccardozoli8= 0@gmail.com>
An: LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg>; DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
Verschickt: Di= , 5. Dez 2017 20:23
Betreff: Re: VLF: First VLF detection D= L > EA

Hi Stefan, Luis, Paul, VLF=

this is my decode (the first in VLF).
Very strong here, despite noisy reception.
Ste= fan, please could you try to send a faster message after sunset,
when SNR of your carrier is much better?
I made some = tests whith EbNaut decoder: " ****** " message appear on
yo= ur carrier with 2 or 3 sec./sym (with a few +dBs of Eb/N0).

All the best

73 de Ricca= rdo IW4DXW



2017-12-04 21:49 GMT+00:00 DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>:
> Hi= VLF,
>
> Tomorrow i'm going to gtry = to pass a first EbNaut message over to EA5DOM.
> Here ar= e the details:
>
> f =3D 17470.1000 H= z
> Start time: 05.Dec.2017 07:00:00 UTC
> Symbol period: 120 s
> Characters: 1
> CRC bits: 6
> Coding 8K19A
>= Duration: 08:00 [hh:mm]
> Antenna current: 1 A
>
> 73, Stefan
>
>
>
> Am 02.12.2017 13:3= 1, schrieb VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez:
>
> Hi VLF
>
> Congratulations St= efan and thank you all for the good information exchanges
&= gt; in the reflector
>
> It is all th= e effort at your side Stefan. I still didn't do the homework to
> decrease the local QRM, which is
> quite high = as you can see in the 25KHz spectrogram. There is a very nasty
> noise which appeared just
> this last couple of= days and affects exactly 17470Hz. It is random and runs
&g= t; for a couple hours. Can be seen
> as vertical noise l= ines in the lower spectrograms and is very noticeable in
&g= t; the 47uH spectrogram
>
> It is my = first detection of Ham activity under LF so far. And there is a lot
> to improve to get same results
> at 8270H= z. A new Rx setup in a different (hopefully cleaner) QTH is in the
> "To Do" list ;-)
>
> 7= 3 de Luis
> EA5DOM
>
= > ________________________________
> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]
> en nombre de D= aniele Caccia [d= aniele.caccia74@gmail.com]
> Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 2= de diciembre de 2017 12:07
> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Asunto: Re: VLF: First VLF detection DL > EA
>
> Dear VLF er
>
> Congratulations to all for the results obtained so far!
>
> Best regards from Daniele SWL I55387F= I -ITALY-
>
>
>>
>
>
> 2017-12-02 10:30 GMT+01:00 Alberto Martinez <ea4ghb@gmail.com>:
>= >
>> Congratulation Stefan and Luis!
>>
>> It=C2=B4s weak but seeable. very good = work.
>>
>> 73.
>> Alberto-EA4GHB
>>
>> = 2017-12-02 9:57 GMT+01:00 DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>:
>>>= ;
>>> Hello VLF friends,
>>&= gt;
>>> This morning i looked on the EA5DOM VLF gr= abber and saw much better
>>> traces of the carrie= r on 17.4701 kHz.
>>> https://ea5dom.ure.= es/grabber/index.html
>>>
>= >> I find this is a valid one-way contact or carrier detection and i = think
>>> it is the first time that this was done = by amateurs between DL and EA.
>>> A distance of 1= 393 km, http://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=3DIM98XN&f= rom=3Djn49ik00wd
>>>
>>&= gt; It looks like there is some QSB on that path, higher than observed a>>> similar distance at 8270 Hz.
>= ;>> We can now think about improvements and about a first message att= empt...
>>>
>>> 73, Stefa= n
>>>
>>
>= ;

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=17k47_21uHz_12051505-log.txt ebnaut-rx V0.7 input file 17k47_21uHz_12051505.wav sample rate 0.342939 per second rx frequency 17470.05 file start time 2017-12-05 08:27:25.160 polynomial 8K19A crc size 6 number of chars 1 block size 12 symbol period 120.000 number of symbols 240 list length 2000 start offset -1633.000 freq offset 0.050000 cores 1 padded 1632.944 seconds at start initial reference phase 50.3 --------------------------------------------- found 3 list rank 53 reference phase 0 0 0 0 carrier S/N 18.13 dB in 34.7 uHz, -26.47 dB in 1Hz, -60.45 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -5.68 dB carrier Eb/N0 10.57 dB info bit period 5052.63 seconds symbol error rate 106/240 = 44.167 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -19.6 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -3.4 dB Shannon capacity 10.4 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 6.9 % symbols file 17k47_21uHz_12051505-symbols.csv elapsed 2 seconds --------------------------------------------- found 6 list rank 20 reference phase 30 30 30 30 carrier S/N 18.16 dB in 34.7 uHz, -26.44 dB in 1Hz, -60.41 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -5.64 dB carrier Eb/N0 10.60 dB info bit period 5052.63 seconds symbol error rate 108/240 = 45.000 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -21.0 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -4.8 dB Shannon capacity 10.4 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 6.8 % symbols file 17k47_21uHz_12051505-symbols.csv elapsed 6 seconds --------------------------------------------- found 3 list rank 31 reference phase 0 0 30 30 carrier S/N 18.87 dB in 34.7 uHz, -25.72 dB in 1Hz, -59.70 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -4.93 dB carrier Eb/N0 11.31 dB info bit period 5052.63 seconds symbol error rate 103/240 = 42.917 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -17.9 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -1.7 dB Shannon capacity 12.1 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 5.9 % symbols file 17k47_21uHz_12051505-symbols.csv elapsed 42 seconds ------=_Part_64175_1969649073.1512516104725--