Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id vA7MdMjE012801 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 23:39:25 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1eCCQr-0005sB-69 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 22:33:21 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1eCCQq-0005s2-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 22:33:20 +0000 Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eCCQm-0006vi-Ay for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 22:33:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.125] ([72.224.254.201]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MRV42-1eeqBo3gK0-00Shwb; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 23:33:09 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" , "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands" From: N1BUG Message-ID: <22d6c712-43af-3a5d-099e-adb285f086a1@n1bug.com> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 17:33:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:PrQzXW/FZpMOJZGXz1PDluxJ8fMpNifzAelXDty5psVC20aMm7z CmOqqhUQb63UR1u+aitqt4X2OFu5qp6SjyT2ySf1MwnJflInV33uhTKG0A2Ky0aLKK/kT3b bvmSe1WcuMfpAFLq+OuHWfPKVEFdJAjBi7K671sTQaw0i3zeEFe1a+H6Y++DBbCJuo9uOXZ PukvWtBvxUnEyYruc32fw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:idtJX5uo5nI=:kdh20QcM50YGInrHw9txIh VIilYXoPWf6rRtrI0MABD+r9IlrETVXCFl7bIGDREY5g51jdy4MbziSIJWZw1IV31bujKsbzG ViJUO4hX8uivhlnPkdOgjDspSSEvBpszvMevInXVRAEgt2O5aH+w+kPWKUzQiRrBeBDFIjGdK rqMUBwbClDhzApT7+A7wuIaY5ieF0alKoKy1xElx4BX7ksPlXJKm55bkAR/ggzmUWhG1ptKae TI/ZaYPXZKovqbhgMXrBtp+fgKlp/sRU5tTdLCZwbhVnapdEB+AROnHxraZU7AmuVqMWggl0k /26FH2Zc8KwpAuk9zRgK5CSim6gYhObz0Jhn0Yu0RUhlGu+/KOX0ZM/HZivM1I5+0UaegtQlt j1oKSy5hVZd3tbCBiCD7knYC6fq/xicmVaJNDqVCvP8mdGrmS0V09XQOrtVwDYJTyR+0Yc8gq vXRNsoThGZheqb5ggyJMh5SEj9MlurKWXYln7B8grZU0T4RL+1VQ3JsdT2Q5OLeAyit2VdM+u NN1usJ7gTUdRfHRx2Yvp3vPEriMZ1/IYodQ4d1k7lXCQ/SsMYlKsREjN837vo0gfaRBgkUHQ4 dw3yPy0YN75aBD7g3yqssykHeu92A6l+Skbw3EZdw1quV0UPy2EwO/RWzjb5v2p3VlI+dQMNo Aq/Kyh0CnZxgol/++hO2IpISebdKOmSvMkPhGotgN5jVZPYTxQOqlRztg0HPPInPxrufSXjUm PUdkzM3B9dGMFDDWx93B1a6ogO1iE/myqU41GOglVL5uW2WoV8e36FbSCc0= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I wonder if anyone can help me with this. I built one of these: http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/u3mods/lfamp.html [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: PA problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I wonder if anyone can help me with this. I built one of these: http://qrp-labs.com/ultimate3/u3mods/lfamp.html It's not what I want but it's what I can afford. In all cases, I was driving it with 250 milliwatts at 137 kHz. It was running into a perfect 50 ohm resistive load (dummy load good through 2 GHz). At first I had a DMM between the 13.8V power supply and the PA to measure current. I had preset bias to about 25 mA current with no RF drive. Output was about 19 watts and efficiency was only 30%. By changing the bias I was able to get 22 watts out. The bias point for maximum output was below the point where it draws any idling current without RF drive. Efficiency increased to 50%. Next I removed the DMM. Power output dropped off. Re-adjusting the bias I was able to get 15 watts. Bias was still below where it starts to draw idling current. Efficiency seemed better as the amp was running much cooler. Then I shortened the cable from power supply to PA. Power dropped again. I re-adjusted bias but this time had to make it quite a lot higher to peak the output. I didn't have an ammeter in line but from earlier tests I know it was now well into the region where current is drawn without RF drive. I was able to get 20 watts. At the instant I removed RF drive the FET died! I'm guessing oscillation. In all cases, the output looked clean on an oscilloscope. I was using a scopematch to measure power. I am only guessing but it seems like maybe the PA is not properly decoupled from the power supply? Or perhaps it is just unstable. Any suggestions? I need to make this work if I am going to be on 2200 meters this winter. I have one more FET and will order a couple more but I would like to have some idea what to try with the next one. 73, Paul N1BUG