Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v9KF734D004542 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:07:05 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1e5YmV-0005j2-0K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:00:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1e5YmU-0005it-LY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:00:14 +0100 Received: from mail-oi0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e5YmN-000766-V1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:00:13 +0100 Received: by mail-oi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id q4so20430073oic.7 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:00:07 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BoQaPBMuMu5FQvklvUcT/DLDIw+sL1pLw5JAAM5nMGo=; b=Chgoe0PL9aShMw7mFm1r5JF1CUAFgy8IVkkF+tsJVLTiYiVCxoOw1+AvaUJttzZXA1 g0o75KFoAZ2vfCBlk+3h0/VGU6Yu93ZJmxKTS10Zbonq3e+lb26iMsLJGSEoXFMBWdv8 wDxmm4XPjoUd3Fuv8rb3DFUQpMfpXL5IEfXt2et7S+EACeQp6FQ/IjY4jL97enmglEbN +06fnDTUIFp/VfXMYEpTf3705Nzt1z/1eZAS89bCus7hhjMMtTNEIQiTbmJbY7+zqG6g 9vP+XsEmr32Rxv6Zm3ysNXdIZ4pOIhltaCdeRJfHqcSBrNIHaqVh8NCuHoCto1fO3Dkw AmTQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=BoQaPBMuMu5FQvklvUcT/DLDIw+sL1pLw5JAAM5nMGo=; b=DwdUUB4fwcw1lwwkt5Vak+I3OBPS2TKQ9dHar5MlzkAHuSfya2eFEdHzq2p7e9XJcw P0i02yCS37PyqzW+ug73SCHwaoA4xorcYA1X/yXTqYC9IHvW5Ntpjr5fcmzoAgXEYuHC eqtXqAPrIF9we7Pd3Hb52FNHJ2hz4oysn05Ss76AYKQ01foHz9L58Y2Zfu8r3jjSW8+O ExINvuYiOP1LNvMOIv2E8oXeWfe2lh5/MSCZlAhO/W3gWwWHYMKgt8WgJk7HWDo6i4FX yPtpK0dsK2tYy3CrD7aWrh9br6Hg47Q95ApIJ9IQk9KKAlTISWS/7MFSXMUHbdhnqW3M 6E6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaX6XLGMowphBcMRxIrZsHYgGuTWeKDhcS8+nG7b6AUYvjMUMa5W 8YM/5NQUAT2Qn5H4FvFvkegIxRnXIqV9noZ6rTM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QiDr0Nwq+CDWP25tox+FHfg9iVg/ibjyTnhDBhpJBJS6wR1YakY7m+wOZgNOL3PKuVbyYnmOhYgruGpj030Wc= X-Received: by 10.157.33.79 with SMTP id l15mr3836501otd.124.1508511606131; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:00:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.1.210 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:00:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50fb2ef9-1067-a98e-ad97-502072300286@gmail.com> References: <50fb2ef9-1067-a98e-ad97-502072300286@gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:00:05 +0100 Message-ID: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Nearly as tall as mine then ;-) On 20 October 2017 at 15:03, Ian Marsh wrote: > I'm told that the Anthorn Tx runs 50 KW RF output to a 'T' antenna with a > radiated power of 17 KW. Unfortunately, I'm not sure of the height of the > supporting antenna masts but Wikipedia says that they are 227 metres (745 > ft) tall. > > Hope that helps. > > Ian G4EXD > > On 18/10/2017 16:10, John Rabson wrote: > > Can anyone help David Gibson? > > John F5VLF > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: efficiency of long wave transmitters > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:54:36 +0100 > From: David Gibson > To: Mike Bedford , Rob Gill > , > creg-enquiries@bcra.org.uk, C.Trayner@leeds.ac.uk > > Mike, Rob, John, Chris... > > This is me just being lazy and trying to avoid doing a web search, or > ploughing through Watt's book on VLF Engineering. Do any of you have a > reference to a *definitive* statement of the transmitter efficiency of > the 60kHz Anthorn transmitter and the 198kHz BBC R4 Droitwich transmitter? > > -- > David Gibson > > > > [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1273381c241b4bc851b7e848e0897dc9 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: efficiency of long wave transmitters Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11428ea46c5106055bfbba43" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --001a11428ea46c5106055bfbba43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Nearly as tall as mine then ;-) On 20 October 2017 at 15:03, Ian Marsh wrote: > I'm told that the Anthorn Tx runs 50 KW RF output to a 'T' antenna with a > radiated power of 17 KW. Unfortunately, I'm not sure of the height of the > supporting antenna masts but Wikipedia says that they are 227 metres (745 > ft) tall. > > Hope that helps. > > Ian G4EXD > > On 18/10/2017 16:10, John Rabson wrote: > > Can anyone help David Gibson? > > John F5VLF > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: efficiency of long wave transmitters > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:54:36 +0100 > From: David Gibson > To: Mike Bedford , Rob Gill > , > creg-enquiries@bcra.org.uk, C.Trayner@leeds.ac.uk > > Mike, Rob, John, Chris... > > This is me just being lazy and trying to avoid doing a web search, or > ploughing through Watt's book on VLF Engineering. Do any of you have a > reference to a *definitive* statement of the transmitter efficiency of > the 60kHz Anthorn transmitter and the 198kHz BBC R4 Droitwich transmitter? > > -- > David Gibson > > > > --001a11428ea46c5106055bfbba43 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nearly as tall as mine then ;-)

On 20 October 2017 at 15:03, Ian Marsh= <ian.g4exd@gmail.com> wrote:
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I'm told that the Anthorn Tx runs 50 KW RF output to a 'T' = antenna with a radiated power of 17 KW. Unfortunately, I'm not sure of the height of the supporting antenna masts but Wikipedia says that they are 227 metres (745 ft) tall.

Hope that helps.

Ian G4EXD

On 18/10/2017 16:10,= John Rabson wrote:
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Can anyone help David Gibson?

John F5VLF

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Subject: efficiency of long wave transmitters
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:54:36 +0100
From: David Gibson <david@c= aves.org.uk>
To: Mike Bedford <bedfordm= d@aol.com>, Rob Gill <creg-edi= tor@bcra.org.uk>, creg-enquiries@= bcra.org.uk, C.Trayner@leeds.ac.u= k


Mike, Rob, John, Chris...

This is me just being lazy and trying to avoid doing a web search, or
ploughing through Watt's book on VLF Engineering.  Do any of you have a
reference to a *definitive* statement of the transmitter efficiency of
the 60kHz Anthorn transmitter and the 198kHz BBC R4 Droitwich transmitter?

--=20
David Gibson



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