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Content preview: Recent measurements of carrier from VO1NA on 8270.0075Hz Night: 19th/20th 13.9 dB phase 3.0 deg 0.065 fT H-field only Day: 20th 10.5 dB phase 101.4 deg 0.034 fT H-field only Night: 20th/21st 12.1 dB phase 8.0 deg 0.058 fT H-field only 10.8 dB phase 0.0 deg E-field only 14.4 dB E-field and H-field combined Day: 21st 12.3 dB phase 104.8 deg 0.038 fT H-field only 10.1 dB phase 100.3 deg E-field only 15.2 dB E-field and H-field combined Day: 22nd 9.9 dB phase 156.5 deg 0.034 fT H-field only [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: VLF: VO1NA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Recent measurements of carrier from VO1NA on 8270.0075Hz Night: 19th/20th 13.9 dB phase 3.0 deg 0.065 fT H-field only Day: 20th 10.5 dB phase 101.4 deg 0.034 fT H-field only Night: 20th/21st 12.1 dB phase 8.0 deg 0.058 fT H-field only 10.8 dB phase 0.0 deg E-field only 14.4 dB E-field and H-field combined Day: 21st 12.3 dB phase 104.8 deg 0.038 fT H-field only 10.1 dB phase 100.3 deg E-field only 15.2 dB E-field and H-field combined Day: 22nd 9.9 dB phase 156.5 deg 0.034 fT H-field only Apart from today, the day and night phases look repeatable enough for stacking but more measurements would be nice. Here's Joe's daytime 21st signal with combined E and H, http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/171022a.gif This ought to be visible further into Europe. Some progress now with the new E-field rx. For some time I've had a puzzle where the new rx performs on average 0.13 dB worse than the old at the Alpha F1 frequency, when it should really be half a dB or so better. I traced the extra noise to somewhere in front of the front-end. Now after moving the rx about 20 metres to a new location and putting in a new grounding system, the noise floor is about right. Signals from Joe and Stefan have been very useful: some comparison S/N dB readings on recent carrier signals: DK7FC 5170.005 Hz ----------------- Old RX New RX 2017-10-21_11:00,+3.5h 13.27 17.07 2017-10-22_13:00,+3.5h 6.66 15.96 VO1NA 8270.0075 --------------- Old RX New RX 2017-10-21_11:00,+7h 5.98 8.82 Alpha F1 11904.7619 ------------------- Old RX New RX 2017-10-21_11:00,+60m 41.48 42.09 2017-10-21_12:00,+60m 37.84 38.40 2017-10-21_13:00,+60m 37.88 38.70 2017-10-21_14:00,+60m 32.13 32.68 2017-10-21_15:00,+60m 41.09 41.54 2017-10-22_10:00,+60m 41.15 42.04 2017-10-22_11:00,+60m 40.38 41.85 2017-10-22_12:00,+60m 41.75 42.82 2017-10-22_13:00,+60m 36.80 37.14 The improvement is roughly as expected now. More improvement at lower frequencies because the old rx is pretty bad down there - good enough for whistlers and things but not up to par for weak amateur radio signals. I suspect that the extra noise was coming from the grounding system, either thermal noise or some sort of electrochemical noise. There's a nice shiny set of 6 ground rods at the new site- https://www.screwfix.com/p/earth-rod-3-8-4ft/28044 These are very strong and drive in easily in the soft ground here. I'm having a lot of trouble with mechanical interference as the antenna flexes slightly in the wind. Also some interference coming in along the DC supply, and one of the DC-DC isolating converters very occasionally doesn't start up when power is applied. I'll get whatever measurements I can over the next day or two then the rx and antenna is back in for yet another re-build. -- Paul Nicholson --