Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v94A4QF9020913 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:04:27 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dzgSy-000405-BG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:59:48 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dzgSx-0003zw-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:59:47 +0100 Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.75]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dzgSs-0006lE-Un for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:59:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([86.31.43.231]) by know-smtprelay-11-imp with bizsmtp id HMzd1w00D4zFP2m01MzfVA; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:59:39 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=ntlworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Originating-IP: [86.31.43.231] X-Authenticated-User: X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=DdHq0aZW c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=OMeJ2NchiI3V7dK0t+UK+Q==:117 a=OMeJ2NchiI3V7dK0t+UK+Q==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=gjHbtiOjAAAA:8 a=1JQhbzdTAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=xlMaWEltq6SyrGgYtDwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6Gpmv06npjIA:10 a=32LvuplSQN0A:10 a=5LF-h8hwNsenEdVTGL-N:22 a=eA1vwN0LYiTYxi7wMk7a:22 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:59:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <59D4B109.27652.1415B4FA@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <59D2BD65.4080909@posteo.de> References: <15ec7c794b3-bff-66@webjas-vac136.srv.aolmail.net>, , <59D2BD65.4080909@posteo.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.72.572) Content-description: Mail message body DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ntlworld.com; s=meg.feb2017; t=1507111179; bh=7atm6vpK7x2FvqdJ88apy+Z706jLs6Ea+/JpL9wmzg8=; h=From:To:Date:Subject:Reply-to:In-reply-to:References; b=ITF06/HEnvjgIclW/+M8xchOIATbHVQSdT+VtOmeWoXUZoNgiRtv4f5q3/zDIPnfB H8ub+LkYdZJeqS8RVDAXUEiGuZZ7xLZzD7xLrFn5RGVhvybcfzlHJWM7yDerZ/ayVI R9J2145aL/tDKG8zTLQOpn8FQ/7pM7tf8nPe6Tesd3dttlDAqag6u2dUdmMyX4w/0p ba/uQYAwbmHjydBAqKwGqMKO8oyUnudAEwNjqUzAU6KXHsJiyZlBaiRruB+F2Bb9/+ 0VdGyxV2vIpMPnj9BEDlxgKOdjVy/fQo8I4XiXypWt73MIZurazwlDx2lGNJTyyF4p wsD/h7/YHMq5g== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Unfortunately, nothing at all seen here on 6470Hz. Using the same system as on 8270, but with filter frequency changed, so should be OK. I am not using any preamplification here, just the LF antenna straight into the sound card (with a little filtering to get rid of hum and HF), so maybe the antenna is less efficient at this frequency. Will investigate further. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 61577e2058c0d3bf1737d7de6ed6eb16 Subject: Re: VLF: 300 mA on 6470 Hz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Unfortunately, nothing at all seen here on 6470Hz. Using the same system as on 8270, but with filter frequency changed, so should be OK. I am not using any preamplification here, just the LF antenna straight into the sound card (with a little filtering to get rid of hum and HF), so maybe the antenna is less efficient at this frequency. Will investigate further. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Hi VLF, > > Since 22 UTC, a carrier with 300 mA antenna current is running at > 6470.005 Hz. The ERP is about 50 uW. That's the next step in the > series of experiments transmitting on frequencies down to DC :-) > > The coil has 3 and 1/2 stacked buckets now. That gives about 1.3 H. It > was necessary to separate the upper and lower two buckets a bit more > than usually, otherwise the frequency was at 6223 Hz. I expect i will > reach 5170 Hz when the spacing is reduced to the normal value (70 mm) > and when i fully wind the upper bucket. > > Here's an image of the construction as it was used on 8270 Hz: > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/VLF/8270_new_coil.jpg > The new construction uses one more of these buckets. They say there > will be strong rain during the whole night. I don't yet know how this > will detune the antenna. Maybe the safety circuit tripps. But if not, > i intend to run the carrier for 24+ hours, so people can check their > grabbers and phase and so on :-) A first EbNaut message will follow > during the week... > > 73, Stefan > > > Am 02.10.2017 22:02, schrieb Jacek Lipkowski: > > Stefan, thanks for the carrier, this helped me improve my grabber a > > bit. > > > > i've changed the time range in my grabber to 7 days, so that you can > > compare with your previous carrier, and also added a "normalised" > > spectrogram: > > > > https://klubnl.pl/wpr/en/index.php/klubnl-pl-grabbers/grabber-4-8270 > > hz/ > > > > in the normalised spectrogram the average of relative powers for > > each timeperiod are normalised to a constant value. so this is > > something similar to AGC, taking care of day/night noise variations. > > i think Paul does something similat, because his spectrogram doesn't > > show differences in day/night noisefloor. > > > > the S/N isn't great, but this is from a simple e-field antenna in > > the middle of the city. > > > > i've also added a 6470Hz grabber for your next tests (and will add > > 5170Hz and normalized graphs in the future): > > > > https://klubnl.pl/wpr/en/index.php/klubnl-pl-grabbers/grabber-sq5bpf > > -6470hz/ > > > > > > VY 73 > > > > Jacek / SQ5BPF > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com >