Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by klubnl.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v9TFnFLu006279 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 16:49:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1e8pk2-000063-NE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 15:43:14 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1e8pk2-00005u-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 15:43:14 +0000 Received: from omr-a005e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.50]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e8pjy-0007I4-0z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 15:43:12 +0000 Received: from mtaomg-mcd02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcd02.mx.aol.com [172.26.223.208]) by omr-a005e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 536CA38000A4 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 11:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acx14b.mail.aol.com (core-acx14.mail.aol.com [10.74.43.1]) by mtaomg-mcd02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A1CDF38000083 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 11:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vaa134.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.33.137) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 29 Oct 2017 11:43:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 11:43:07 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15f68ccfd03-c09-1dcf0@webjas-vaa134.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <59F5F230.5050603@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1509291788; bh=f8dmy6EERe358XKE94THo7IRByQgj8QBE0gJ0ny45B0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YWLpWSoyFUu4uTkoL6pIsfJ+7e0/1k+nobNYQ+BN9qxjTEn8pK7//q5ULeycqVDNA n6Jj2LxikgcZURS6nwFvMVB7dP54uDyjmkyfmHh0h74Bo8+pkjjZLMCL8O4XbQF2Qb MngBOCbCYNKun/6PxmlBY+XSTvijQF0j9gdQtZcg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adfd059f5f70b7e85 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes Stefan I agree, the small peaks are no more than a vague indication and not yet near a proof of reception. Hope they are anyway encouraging. Joe are you now using the higher antenna, or perhaps both in parallel? Employing phase feedback from a local E-field probe will make the transmitted phase repeatable, even with modifications to the antenna or matching circuit. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_150301_1406541485.1509291785474" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_150301_1406541485.1509291785474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Stefan I agree, the small peaks are no more than a vague indication and= not yet near a proof of reception. Hope they are anyway encouraging. Joe are you now using the higher antenna, or perhaps both in parallel? Empl= oying phase feedback from a local E-field probe will make the transmitted p= hase repeatable, even with modifications to the antenna or matching circuit= . I'm afraid 16K25 may be too hard for my computer. Best 73, Markus PS: What is the quantum efficiency of Paul's antenna, how many photons are = needed to drive one electron? =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 29. Okt 2017 16:24 Betreff: Re: VLF: VO1NA in Todmorden on 8270 Hz - also in Amberg? Hm, we need evidence for claiming such distances i find. From my spectrogra= m i can see no clear trace on the exact frequency.=20 I'm running another spectrogram in the background, not displayed on the gr= abber but now in the attachment. It runs at 24 uHz. But even there i can se= e no clear trace. I thought about stacking carrier transmissions and try to get EbNaut '*' m= essages in 16K25A or so, but not yet tried... When the phase changes between the different days it gets difficult... But i think decoding a 5 character message is certainly realistic in 3...6= days, if the phase is stable... 73, GL, Stefan Am 29.10.2017 10:54, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Joe, VLF, it looks like VO1NA might have made it into Germany.=20 The DL0AO earth-antenna in Amberg shows small peaks both in 31.4 and 9.3 u= Hz (attached. Note that the 30 hours of the narrower FFT have only been par= tially filled last night). Also the 47 uHz spectrogram from Stefan's tree i= n Heidelberg may have picked up some energy on 8720.0075 Hz. http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: jcraig An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 28. Okt 2017 21:12 Betreff: Re: VLF: VO1NA in Todmorden on 8270 Hz - also in Amberg? Hi VLF, There was a phase glitch at 1700-1800 ut today. It was a nice day for aerial work and so hopefully the ERP has improved a bit on 8.2700075 kHz. It is hoped to launch a few hundred billion VLF photons farther=20 east for Stefan and Markus in particular. 73 Joe VO1NA ------=_Part_150301_1406541485.1509291785474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Stefan I agree, the small peaks are= no more than a vague indication and not yet near a proof of rece= ption. Hope they are anyway encouraging.

Joe= are you now using the higher antenna, or perhaps both in parallel? Employi= ng phase feedback from a local E-field probe will make the transmitted phas= e repeatable, even with modifications to the antenna or matc= hing circuit.

I'm afraid 16K25 may be too ha= rd for my computer.

Best 73,
Markus
PS: What is the quantum efficiency of Paul's antenna, how man= y photons are needed to drive one electron?

=   
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_= lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So= , 29. Okt 2017 16:24
Betreff: Re: VLF: VO1NA in Todmorden on= 8270 Hz - also in Amberg?

Hm, we need evidence for claiming such distances i find. From my spectrogram i can see no clear trace on the exact freque= ncy.
I'm running another spectrogram in the background, not displayed on the grabber but now in the attachment. It runs at 24 uHz. But even there i can see no clear trace.
I thought about stacking carrier transmissions and try to get EbNaut '*' messages in 16K25A or so, but not yet tried...
When the phase changes between the different days it gets difficult...
But i think decoding a 5 character message is certainly realistic in 3...6 days, if the phase is stable...

73, GL, Stefan

Am 29.10.2017 10:54, schrieb Markus Vester:
Joe, VLF,

it looks like VO1NA might have made it into Germany.

The DL0AO earth-antenna in Amberg shows small peaks both in 31.4 and 9.3 uHz (attached. Note that the 30 hours of the narrower FFT&nbs= p;have only been partially filled last night). Also the 47 uHz spectrogram from Stefan's tree in Heidelberg may have picked up some energy on 872= 0.0075 Hz.

http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgr= abber_dl0ao_test.htm
http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf= /DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: jcraig <jcr= aig@mun.ca>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 28. Okt 2017 21:12
Betreff: Re: VLF: VO1NA in Todmorden on 8270 Hz - also in Amberg?

Hi VLF,

There was a phase glitch at 1700-1800 ut today. It was a nice day for
aerial work and so hopefully the ERP has improved a bit on 8.2700075 kHz.
It is hoped to launch a few hundred billion VLF photons farther
east for Stefan and Markus in particular.

73
Joe VO1NA


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