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Instead of the 84 turns, you could probably employ a single turn loop with = a transformer. So perhaps your antenna in the tree might receive ELF as wel= l? Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Cc: Renato Romero Verschickt: Mo, 25. Sept 2017 15:18 Betreff: ELF: ZEVS reception from a small loop Hi LF friends,=20 You know, a few weeka ago i've been in France. We had a field day and i te= sted my small loop with its new preamp. Description below. From a handy loop with just 0.8 m diameter and 84 turns i didn't expect mu= ch. However i saw my 4470.005 Hz carrier quite well even in 424 uHz FFT ban= dwidth which is not bad at all for 250 km distance. It even was a noisy day= . But now: I reprocessed the recording (which was done by the Raspi and vlfr= x tools) again, looking for ZEVS on 82 Hz. To my surprise ZEVS has a very good SNR from that small antenna! It was up= to 25 dB in 3.8 mHz! That's the celarest signal i saw from ZEVS, so far. F= or the spectrogram i used a 1.5 kHz low pass filter and a noise blanker. See: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/VLF/ZEVS__from_JN29PD06= BO.png So my loop setup seems to be promising for the next 970 Hz experiment as w= ell :-) 73, Stefan PS: The preamp design is taken from: http://www.vlf.it/feletti2/idealloop.= html Am 18.09.2017 00:56, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Am 31.08.2017 22:37, schrieb DK7FC:=20 This weekend i will be in France again, JN29OD96SK , on a field day with th= e radio club. I plan to receive the 4470 Hz signal with a small loop and it= s new preamp and the octo soundcard. Thus i want to run a carrier again on = 4470.005 Hz. Tomorrow, Friday, i will transmit the EbNaut message again. Af= ter that, the carrier will continue until sunday. With some luck i hope you= can decode the message when including the friday transmission. If not, i c= ould continue to transmit on monday... It took some time but now i have some results from that experiment. I actu= ally placed a 84 turn loop with 0.8 m diameter and a low noise preamp betwe= en some trees in France, JN29PD06BO. A path of 250 km or 3.7 wavelengths between RX and TX ( http://no.nonsense= .ee/qth/map.html?qth=3DJN29PD06BO&from=3Djn49ik00wd ). Quite a compact RX s= ystem for VLF. I did not prepare the experiment as good as possible, there = was no E field RX together with the loop. H field only. It was mainly anoth= er test of the octo-soundcard and a first test for the samll loop and its L= NA.=20 I converted the data files recorded by vlfrx tools into a wav file and ana= lysed it in SpecLab. Here is a wideband spectrogram showing the QRN: http:/= /www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/VLF/wide4470.png (time markers are = incorrect there) On sunday morning, 3rd Spetember when i looked at the installation i found= that the preamp was disconnected from the battery. It must have been an an= imal walking arround into the field, stumbling over the cable ;-) . Fortuna= tely the interruption took just about one hour ;-) Assuming that vlfrx tools correctly resampled to 24 kS/s i run the file in= to SpecLab set to 47 uHz FFT bin width, hoping to see a trace/peak at 4470.= 005 Hz.=20 And indeed, there is something! See attachment. That's a first trace from = DL to F on the 67 km band :-) About 18 dB in 47 uHz during the best time, m= uch more than i expected. Another success is that i managed to produce a first spectrum peak and gen= erated a png file using vlfrx tools. The procedure is based on Paul's advic= e. :-) 73, Stefan ------=_Part_201869_2051880052.1506351829476 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

that's a very nice result!

Ha= ve you also tried to look for Schumann resonances in the recording?
Instead of the 84 turns, you could probably employ a single = turn loop with a transformer. So perhaps your antenna in the tree= might receive ELF as well?

Best 73,
Markus

-----Ursp= r=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>= ;
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: Renato R= omero <contact@vlf.it>
Verschickt: Mo, 25. Sept 2017 15:18
Betr= eff: ELF: ZEVS reception from a small loop

Hi LF friends,

You know, a few weeka ago i've been in France. We had a field day and i tested my small loop with its new preamp. Description below.
>From a handy loop with just 0.8 m diameter and 84 turns i didn't expect much. However i saw my 4470.005 Hz carrier quite well even in 424 uHz FFT bandwidth which is not bad at all for 250 km distance. It even was a noisy day.

But now: I reprocessed the recording (which was done by the Raspi and vlfrx tools) again, looking for ZEVS on 82 Hz.
To my surprise ZEVS has a very good SNR from that small antenna! It was up to 25 dB in 3.8 mHz! That's the celarest signal i saw from ZEVS, so far. For the spectrogram i used a 1.5 kHz low pass filter and a noise blanker.
See: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/VLF/= ZEVS__from_JN29PD06BO.png

So my loop setup seems to be promising for the next 970 Hz experiment as well :-)

73, Stefan

PS: The preamp design is taken from: http://www= .vlf.it/feletti2/idealloop.html


Am 18.09.2017 00:56, schrieb DK7FC:
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Am 31.08.2017 22:37, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 =20 This weekend i will be in France again, = JN29OD96SK , on a field day with the radio club. I plan to receive the 4470 Hz signal with a small loop and its new preamp and the octo soundcard. Thus i want to run a carrier again on 4470.005 Hz. Tomorrow, Friday, i will transmit the EbNaut message again. After that, the carrier will continue until sunday. With some luck i hope you can decode the message when including the friday transmission. If not, i could continue to transmit on monday...

It took some time but now i have some results from that experiment. I actually placed a 84 turn loop with 0.8 m diameter and a low noise preamp between some trees in France, JN29PD06BO.
A path of 250 km or 3.7 wavelengths between RX and TX ( http://no.nonsense.ee/qth/map.html?qth=3DJN29PD06B= O&from=3Djn49ik00wd ). Quite a compact RX system for VLF. I did not prepare the experiment as good as possible, there was no E field RX together with the loop. H field only. It was mainly another test of the octo-soundcard and a first test for the samll loop and its LNA.
I converted the data files recorded by vlfrx tools into a wav file and analysed it in SpecLab. Here is a wideband spectrogram showing the QRN: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/VLF/wide4470.png= (time markers are incorrect there)

On sunday morning, 3rd Spetember when i looked at the installation i found that the preamp was disconnected from the battery. It must have been an animal walking arround into the field, stumbling over the cable ;-) . Fortunately the interruption took just about one hour ;-)
Assuming that vlfrx tools correctly resampled to 24 kS/s i run the file into SpecLab set to 47 uHz FFT bin width, hoping to see a trace/peak at 4470.005 Hz.
And indeed, there is something! See attachment. That's a first trace from DL to F on the 67 km band :-) About 18 dB in 47 uHz during the best time, much more than i expected.

Another success is that i managed to produce a first spectrum peak and generated a png file using vlfrx tools. The procedure is based on Paul's advice. :-)

73, Stefan










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