Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: dcc1: mailn 1182; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v63Lgl9H002400 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 23:42:55 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dS47W-0000o1-24 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 17:22:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dS47V-0000ns-6c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 17:22:41 +0100 Received: from mail-qt0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::236]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dS47R-0002Hq-Eg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 17:22:39 +0100 Received: by mail-qt0-x236.google.com with SMTP id 32so147164541qtv.1 for ; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=+JPgrEEywsAvvdr0WexDhgLm/B3BdKIMGAvpPx7kLfk=; b=kAzhrlFet7w2Q5jB+IA26VFwgcZo5FCp6Nuw8sJifz1uH4cQOdhVYjFEX2cNGeO2/6 pOOXczlq/ZU8VgcF8xKJn4NsGYQ3xfehslrkbdsamW5UnR0C5z2mh1NElk1wJsOg7Ckz p0H/430Ql3pD3UA1a69ABtuvIwvdLi1BCYU0uJerH+9WVyhK0N7ylVHtDu2fWWVuHLih eS8Dli/wBF3kg9BZQp6k0UvVuIQpWWbIe2CRhRUZw6ZQBTX/LMSjDrvMiNbvs2WOAm9k zXBa/Rg3NcWdIczZumCdlnYpW0XiJKEihyfzKNi1V9blOmkjppmppXLAZOzBjou98UZA gUsg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=+JPgrEEywsAvvdr0WexDhgLm/B3BdKIMGAvpPx7kLfk=; b=t23xTlnjaDFNIfTblR+r+65Sei1ZPk9tnwnnTheFUVb/hgttfPErqx5aNQp7MMTDPG s0UUUvJJizhDD/QB6etN0jr1FiKJmSV1ukC5+2hqf8GoFkBRnc7pi+5ZIwP2LZF0REHj ndffgeNEaG117JgaPHHxsObauG+EHvgdYiwxQWPnoh3IpCRRwqp+S64OylOtEr4GKWQU cRTj52P0rTgUELXj8hJwaWLsnSMjXfDM0Ren0WcpFlFheEJWNPZpm5M7pIsn74iO7Wkk cDXUOPftBlIYHsUOoAlfL91h1nhsnMhQ6pQg1LghjhtNpsJi9Cw6PnC31Q75ZqSVxPSz lBBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOw00jNhgjHaa5ZE7+txtj7RfTohk8vapIqUPHvdUHahfWvCfjmy tQuPS9DjP9FZHMHI92b38tOt/IV5CzsJ X-Received: by 10.200.52.242 with SMTP id x47mr45677397qtb.70.1499098953753; Mon, 03 Jul 2017 09:22:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.49.135 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jul 2017 09:22:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1278441499088093@web48g.yandex.ru> References: <1278441499088093@web48g.yandex.ru> From: Roger Lapthorn Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:22:33 +0100 Message-ID: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Scan-Signature: f7f918e40888a44a70dddae14bd6a529 Subject: Re: LF: 20 Years of QRSS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113ad8189f294205536c2cda" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12141 --001a113ad8189f294205536c2cda Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As someone who missed out on 73kHz when allocated in the UK, I'd love to have that band now! Sadly, there is little chance. I'd love to try WSPR and my earth electrode "antenna" on that band. I think it would work quite well at 73kHz. 73s Roger G3XBM On 3 July 2017 at 14:21, Roman wrote: > Hi Andy, LF! > > Some information about QRSS, Andy. > > Practically QRSS used more then 100 years ago! > > I'm write aboute station in Nikolaevsk-on-Amur - Komsomolsk-na-Amure, > russian far east now: > > "...Each station used equipment for RX by ears RX 15WPM and Morse apparat > for slow CW 5 words per minute on paper tape..." - 1910. > > 5 words per minute around QRSS-3 mode! -) > > http://136.su/index.php/topic,218.msg13757.html#msg13757 > > > I'm reading also about first telegrafic line between England and NA - slow > CW used also too in 1855! > > 73 > Roman > > > Looking back in my logbook I see on the 12 July 1997 that I made a > transmission on 73kHz that was received by G3PLX 393km away in a bandwidth > of a few tens of milli-Hz. Peter was using the new fangled DSP stuff in a > Motorola DSP card, to display the narrowband filtered signal on a waterfall > display. > > > > I was radiating perhaps 5 - 10 milliwatts ERP (from a 200W transmitter) > > > > No information was exchanged that day, just confirmation of the carrier > being switched on or off using the telephone as a back link. Peter > suggested I write some software to generate very slow CW to key the > transmitter and send it to him. > > > > On 27 July He received the first SLOWCW signal from me with positive ID > of the callsign, sent according to my logbook notes with 100s dots between > 0400 to 0718 UTC. We then did the same again for several nights running, > varying the dot speed . This completely smashed the one-way distance record > for the 73kHz band. There were several at the time who said "its not real > amateur radio, it's computers talking" but those voices were soon silenced. > > > > Others wrote software to generate the keying and suddenly everyone > started using SLOWCW which for some unfathomable reason started to be > called QRSS (why ?) > > > > Now 20 years later, it still seems to be widely used, albeit with a few > variations like DFCW to speed up exchanges. > > > > Andy G4JNT > -- > 73! > Roman, RW3ADB > > --001a113ad8189f294205536c2cda Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As someone who missed out on 73kHz when allocated in = the UK, I'd love to have that band now! Sadly, there is little chance. = I'd love to try WSPR and my earth electrode "antenna" on that= band. I think it would work quite well at 73kHz.

= 73s
Roger G3XBM

On 3 July 2017 at 14:21, Roman <rw3adb@yandex.ru>= ; wrote:
Hi Andy, LF!

Some information about QRSS, Andy.

Practically QRSS used more then 100 years ago!

I'm write aboute station in Nikolaevsk-on-Amur - Komsomolsk-na-Amure, r= ussian far east now:

"...Each station used equipment for RX by ears RX 15WPM and Morse appa= rat for slow CW 5 words per minute on paper tape..." - 1910.

5 words per minute around QRSS-3 mode! -)

http://136.su/index.php/topic,218.msg13= 757.html#msg13757


I'm reading also about first telegrafic line between England and NA - s= low CW used also too in 1855!

73
Roman

> Looking back in my logbook I see on the 12 July 1997 that I made a tra= nsmission on 73kHz that was received by G3PLX 393km away in a bandwidth of = a few tens of milli-Hz. Peter was using the new fangled DSP stuff in a Moto= rola DSP card, to display the narrowband filtered signal on a waterfall dis= play.
>
> I was radiating perhaps 5 - 10 milliwatts ERP (from a 200W transmitter= )
>
> No information was exchanged that day, just confirmation of the carrie= r being switched on or off using the telephone as a back link. Peter sugges= ted I write some software to generate very slow CW to key the transmitter a= nd send it to him.
>
> On 27 July He received the first SLOWCW signal from me with positive I= D of the callsign, sent according to my logbook notes with 100s dots betwee= n 0400 to 0718 UTC. We then did the same again for several nights running, = varying the dot speed . This completely smashed the one-way distance record= for the 73kHz band. There were several at the time who said "its not = real amateur radio, it's computers talking" but those voices were = soon silenced.
>
> Others wrote software to generate the keying and suddenly everyone sta= rted using SLOWCW which for some unfathomable reason started to be called Q= RSS (why ?)
>
> Now 20 years later, it still seems to be widely used, albeit with a fe= w variations like DFCW to speed up exchanges.
>
> Andy G4JNT
--
73!
Roman, RW3ADB


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