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[82.70.254.222]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d91sm6263292wma.7.2017.06.26.03.56.56 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Jun 2017 03:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:56:55 +0100 From: Chris Wilson X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <498643488.20170626115655@gmail.com> To: Clemens Paul In-Reply-To: <2A1ED0432B3E4914AF1896E8F1B83924@Clemens0811> References: <94719482.20170623130346@gmail.com> <408186507.20170624173207@gmail.com> <1B7B7537AD024FBDAA5E898E3DF21AAB@Clemens0811> <1483178977.20170624190258@gmail.com> <741897120.20170624204412@gmail.com> <2A1ED0432B3E4914AF1896E8F1B83924@Clemens0811> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 9ca91679b330d65f05d707c2d2b164fe Subject: Re: LF: RE: Transformer questions. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12117 Hello Clemens, Thanks for the reply, I have posted a link to photos at http://www.gatesgarth.com/radio.zip that show the outside stuff. Perhaps that will make the set up a bit clearer. I seem to be being told the impedance matching transformer in the white box could be upstairs in the shack by one, and it has to be by the loading coil by your good self! Reading what you have said below, I think it should be where it is, but hopefully the photos and explanation in my reply to the insulated mast thread will confirm. Photos speak a thousand words :) Sunday, June 25, 2017, 1:19:54 PM, you wrote: > Hi Chris, > ok, I hope I have now understood your set up and what you may possibly want to change. > Present configuration: >>2 X amps to combiner via 2 off 12 inches Teflon coax cables : Combiner >>to LPF via 12 inches Teflon co-ax : Combiner to outside about 40 feet >>RG-213 co-ax : Outside is impedance matching transformer on top of >>loading coil / variometer : Impedance matching transformer to loading >>coil via 12 inches RG-213 : Loading coil feeds vertical section of >>antenna directly. > And from an earlier post by you: >>>Can I wind the isolating >>>transformer as a 1 : 1 and do impedance matching (which changes with >>>weather / foliage growth) indoors using a tapped combiner auto >>>transformer? > So you want to modify the combiner-autotransformer into a tapped one > and OTOH modify the tapped isolation transformer into a non-tapped 1:1 one.(?) > This would be not a good idea. > The combiner XFM would not work any more,the LPF would not work any more properly. > Both need to see 50 Ohm. > Even if you cancel out the antenna/feeder reactance by the loading > coil/variometer you are left with a > very low real part of impedance of a few Ohm. > So beside the malfunction of the combiner and the LPF you would get > a loss of about 2dB on the 40 feet > coax (assuming 2 Ohm for the real part). > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ -- Best regards, Chris mailto:dead.fets@gmail.com