Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v5PFT0oe001757 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:29:01 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dP9Od-0002cg-CK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:24:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dP9Oc-0002cX-OO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:24:18 +0100 Received: from omr-a005e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.50]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dP9OZ-000619-1S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:24:17 +0100 Received: from mtaout-aan01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-aan01.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.77]) by omr-a005e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E0E1538000B5 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-142-246-228.range86-142.btcentralplus.com [86.142.246.228]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-aan01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 5F7D238000083 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:24:12 -0400 (EDT) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1649946984.20170624173724@gmail.com> <594FCAFD.28958.1E2184@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> From: patgillen Message-ID: <3b0fdda2-c0ae-a7f6-5423-5f269dbee05c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:24:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <594FCAFD.28958.1E2184@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Content-Language: en-US x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1498404252; bh=RzeAKsHKJ7JDqMt+7Qy3gHNSZxB85wen+1s4X3ctXdo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=th9MzOlBZtNyCTz5WTVn28Z1edpIQX0vy/ZDe8JGVvhPzQcSIAjicO3j6gwQu3kNe u27Pk3sn2wlcU96IEuLUB6EXxIy9edR/97juIRW+pkAIYh2uc2gmssoWR8VEn4tT2d myLR9cSDOffTFv7AxC8mFKBGxjKpnLlwvRh0vLfg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b134d594fd59c3894 X-AOL-IP: 86.142.246.228 X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: LF: Insulating a Versatower from ground Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12103 Chris, I was wondering if the possible solution might be to dismantle the existing mast and crane the ground post from the ground. Then one might enlarge the hole and line it with a very substantial insulating barrier before installing a replacement ground post into poured concrete, eventually reassembling the versatower to the ground post. Whether or not this would achieve your goal is open to debate but is such an amount of work and possible expense worth it? 73 de g4gvw On 25/06/17 15:38, Mike Dennison wrote: > Nice idea, Chris, but any insulation would have to withstand the > thousands of volts on your antenna in all conditions (wet and dry). > Might work for the lower volages on higher bands but I doubt it would > be OK at LF. The other factor worth bearing in mind is the max > permitted ERP which you must be close to already judging from the > reports you are getting. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > >> Has anyone tried making insulating bushes for the tilt over hinge and >> the bottom locking peg on a crank up / crank over 40 or 60 foot >> Versatower? How much of a detrimental effect would the steel 6 foot >> above ground, concreted in support post a couple or three inches away >> from it have? Specifically I am toying with doing this to use it on LF >> 136kHz with my horizontal quad loop as the capacitive "top hat" to >> gain as much vertical height for the radiating element as possible, >> right now the mast has a long insulated line to the corner of my >> horizontal quad loop with the vertical some way from the mast, >> although today to minimise sag from having the vertical some >> distance away I moved it nearer the mast. By so doing I have >> gained maybe another 8 feet of height. Thanks. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, Chris 2E0ILY >> >> mailto:dead.fets@gmail.com >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> > > -- 73 de Pat G4GVW QTH Nr Felixstowe UK