Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v49JJixi001533 for ; Tue, 9 May 2017 21:19:45 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1d8Abn-00073I-Gi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 May 2017 20:15:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1d8Abm-000739-S9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 May 2017 20:15:42 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1d8Abk-0006Xc-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 May 2017 20:15:41 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=dgI4l+UrdY62Dio5ua/Zg+LxZcyAAVud9S2Eh98xtjA=; b=yTuaaF3x7U9HsnuJC/BTyUPeST eV+0x/+Agw5oNuaBXyNf4GnuTIS6wBDJSx1XpRNaj+fO8e2JLNTfxrswZIquJw5dS8sq7IJA6+4Kd pl27dpFYqgP+Ylz/uDDvR2yhn7VIS4USdGvxOwK+gyA5ojKo6j9wwybcQlxQA+ldGRG0=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:45991 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1d8Abj-00060x-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 May 2017 20:15:39 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADA740028E for ; Tue, 9 May 2017 19:15:38 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB8FDD9B58@servigilant.vigilant.local> <4e6f6fae-c71c-66e5-8c0d-c984f156b8bf@abelian.org> <910afef0-57f2-d4b0-a077-86325d594f3f@abelian.org> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <57b0f48d-4a3c-3d5d-bf4e-5a836872e7eb@abelian.org> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 19:15:38 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: Re: LF: NA VLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11653 Jim wrote: > I noticed that you used phase with Watson-Watt, I use the formula which is given in your png attachment, where Vy is the N/S complex amplitude and Vx is the E/W. And atan2 implements the arctan. It produces an azimuth modulo 180 degrees and the ambiguity is resolved by looking at the relative phase of E and H. The azimuth from this formula corresponds to the major axis of the ellipse that you would see if you connected the E/W and N/S loop signals to the X and Y signals of a scope: a Watson- Watt DF display. The apparent azimuth from this method often differs from the true azimuth of the incident signal - polarisation error. With signals of low elevation the polarisation error tends to zero. It also tends to zero with elliptical polarised incident signals where the major axis is vertical. The error will be bad if the polarisation axis is significantly tilted away from the vertical. There are a couple of other methods of measuring azimuth which have less or even no polarisation error. For example the Poynting vector method, and the Tsuruda and Hayashi NPE method. I've never successfully used either of these because they need very accurate phase calibration of the 3-channel receiver. Joe wrote: > That's a relief, Paul. I can see the daytime signal too now. Both night and day sigs are half the amplitude compared with yesterday. Noise was a bit higher overnight too. Frequency looks good, 93 uHz above 8270.007. Can't see the overnight signal at Forest. I'm glad you began transmission on Sunday instead of Monday! Let's see what the next 24 hours does if you can stay on-air. -- Paul Nicholson --