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[82.70.254.222]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m127sm4020607wmb.10.2017.05.13.03.25.53 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 13 May 2017 03:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Wilson X-Google-Original-From: Chris Wilson Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 11:25:52 +0100 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1147474554.20170513112552@gmail.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 195b836cb7437e99aa05107459888659 Subject: LF: Combining LF amps revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11685 Hello rsgb, I finally had the right combination of time and assistance to get my huge Farnell linear variable voltage and current power supply upstairs into my shack in the last 3 days. I have always had a sneaking worry that some of my blown FET issues when running at the limit were perhaps due to the SMPS doing odd things when the load was suddenly relinquished. I decided to try the W1VD Wilkinson combiner again on this PSU and was pleased to see no blown FET's! I think it's "softer" in transition between load on and off than the big server SMPS which probably was never intended to serve hard switched loads. Just guessing though.... I managed 60V at near 40 Amps on the two amps, but have now hit a new snag. In the combiner the output transformer is three stacked FT-240 77 material toroids, wound with 2 mm OD enamelled wire (12 AWG) in a 5 turns primary, 7 turns secondary configuration, and it gets damned hot. I chickened out at 75 degrees Celcius on my infra red thermometer. I am unsure if it's the windings or the cores getting hot, it's hard to tell as each heats the other of course. The ferrite beads on the Teflon co-ax don't even get warm. Only other downside to combining is the drain waveforms are a bit more spiky. Jay, W1VD stated this combiner was designed to combine two 500 Watt amps, I am trying to combine two of his 1kW ones, albeit I will run them at a reduced drain voltage in that format So, to my questions please. How can I tell if the combiner's transformer is heating due to core losses, or wire heating? If it's the stacked core what do you suggest i use instead, I like to de-rate things as much as possible, even if I go a bit OTT in the process :) What about wire type and gauge? Andy G4JNT mentioned abandoning the Wilkinson combiner and using a single transformer with coupling windings one from each amp's output, and a single secondary to the LPF. I don't see an earlier post i made asking what the turns ratio needs to be for this, but I do occasionally seem to miss posts from Blacksheep. If anyone can assist in this and suggest a conservatively sized and type of core to wind it on, with suggested wire type and gauge I'd be very appreciative. The amps being combined: http://www.w1vd.com/137-500-KWTX.html The combiner: http://www.w1vd.com/137-500-500WCombiner.pdf The LPF: http://www.w1vd.com/LPF.html Thanks -- Best regards, Chris 2E0ILY mailto:dead_fets@gmail.com