Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v3AKqiOT025322 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 22:52:45 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cxgFS-0008Ke-M6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:49:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cxgFS-0008KV-8K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:49:18 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1cxgFO-0001Fq-Mb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:49:17 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=pgnTsMZHfh0t7Wa0hIPeNO6y5n9YKEqGWHIj/zduuq0=; b=XeCcrB09qnC4iISnVP8a/QD1n4 SjewZPqXX8imckZGk4p2a5QBsHtlzTcr/gVe8j5/AAvx+Mp0ELhKk3aHXtT3iuJ4/NJqnekScG7k7 SWiH1H2pp3DEiozFNZQy2XxcHMalGxVexSNd8YcMN4jPvlZDaEGtNkCEZv/O/23uDfgE=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:35495 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1cxgFN-0001UA-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:49:13 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63618400B22 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:49:12 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <58EA2389.9070107@posteo.de> <519a2968-f0e0-e779-a1e9-c3e1e0085ba8@psk31.plus.com> <58EB9AA6.1010804@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:49:12 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: fb3e28a759dea7e01d34d3fe7de7ae98 Subject: Re: VLF: DFCW-6000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11213 > Meanwhile the 7 is completed :-) In the time it took to send 'DK7' you could have sent 330 characters using a more efficient mode. Or sent DK7 with a signal 20dB weaker. From a nearby thread: > if you could release a new ebnaut-tx.exe for Windows > which handles 200 characters and 0 CRC bits, i would > send you a 200 character long message. That's in the next revision, and some other alterations which I hope I can finish testing soon. This talk of longer messages makes me wonder about the possibility of arranging a source encoding for binary data. How about sending a .jpg at VLF? Crazy, but just about feasible. Eddie wrote: > Loops at this QTH are not very successful, yes lots of > mains borne QRM. Often, H-field is worse. You have not only the harmonics, but the sidebands of the harmonics to deal with. My rural location is very noisy from the mains. All the farms around here are supplied by overhead lines. My loops are about 200m from the house which is plenty far enough not to pick up any domestic interference. I think 100m would have been good enough. Moving away from the nearest power line the hum falls off with distance cubed as you would expect, but by 100m falls to a background level unrelated to nearby lines and further distance is no better. I presume this hum floor comes from more distant national grid lines. The H-field hum level varies a lot but is unrelated to local loads. I wouldn't worry too much about the mains hum level. It's a fact of life and is not going to go away. But if it is fairly clean hum (not too many sidebands) and your rx and A/D are impeccably linear, then there's plenty of space between the hum harmonics for reception down to the natural noise floor. I should perhaps post a short mp3 of my raw unfiltered H-field ... http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170410a.mp3 You wouldn't think it possible to pick up anything through that. If I filter out the hum harmonics, you can hear the sidebands. The filter kicks in at about 5 seconds: http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170410b.mp3 Here's the same thing from the E-field rx http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170410c.mp3 Note the much lower level of sidebands on the E-field. In the UK it is hard to find anywhere clear of foreground hum. But with a bit of effort you can often reach the natural noise floor in a suburban location. -- Paul Nicholson --