Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v3IKDixP009491 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:13:45 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1d0ZRr-0000An-K5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:10:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1d0ZRq-0000Ae-Qv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:10:02 +0100 Received: from mailfe03.swip.net ([212.247.154.65] helo=swip.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1d0ZRn-0006cd-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:10:01 +0100 X-T2-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 Received: from [81.224.109.193] (account cxu-dcw-tyr@tele2.se HELO [192.168.1.9]) by mailfe03.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTPSA id 555879889 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:09:49 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15b72b3360e.marcocadeddu@tin.it> <731997437.20170416124847@gmail.com> <58F525B4.9090008@posteo.de> <1229336941.20170418125840@gmail.com> <58F60567.20001@posteo.de> <58F63C48.4020006@posteo.de> <4F0D3050-F629-44E7-BCA2-98BCC8B29D17@gmail.com> From: Johan Bodin Message-ID: <9b95f193-7cc1-2033-54ec-fc287f687c6d@tele2.se> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:09:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F0D3050-F629-44E7-BCA2-98BCC8B29D17@gmail.com> X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: Re: LF: A transductor for power regulation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11379 John is right. The transductors at SAQ can be seen in this photo in google street view: https://www.google.se/maps/@57.1139306,12.4045874,3a,75y,221.02h,87.43t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sA9thq95lEHf5u-4IrG4StQ!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656 The transductors are the big "rolls" at the top and were called "magnetic amplifers" in SAQ documentation from the mid 20's. 73 de Johan SM6LKM John Rabson wrote: > I believe something like that is used at SAQ (Grimeton Radio) on 17.2 kHz as a saturable reactor for keying the transmission. > > John F5VLF > >> On 18 Apr 2017, at 18:18, DK7FC wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm just thinking about transductors and find them them quite fascinating again. I read a bit Wikipedia and thought about the use as a steerable transformer. >> Imagine you have a hard switching class D PA, H bridge or so. The output is a constant voltage source and it is no problem to connect no load, as long as a proper type of low pass filter is used. >> Then imagine a simple 1:1 ferrite transformer, 50 Ohm to 50 Ohm. The transformer has a 3rd winding for a DC current (to compensate the AC component transformed from the RF windings, 2 cores must be used, which are in parallel for the RF and anti-serial for DC). >> Then i can saturate the transformer with the DC so the µr falls down to 1. >> With this arrangement i could build a linear PA out of a switch mode PA, even a fast one, which avoids key-clicks, at least in QRSS-3 (you remember the mode) or OP32 or even EbNaut on LF? >> Sounds like an interesting experiment at least. The question is how warm the transformer would become when the RF output current is permanently reduced to 50%. >> Has someone ever tried that on LF/MF? >> >> 73, Stefan >> > john.rabson07@gmail.com > > Researching history of RABSON, BLACKSHAW, GAUNTLETT, VERLANDER and ROBSONNE > > > > > >