Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v35D7qld009032 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:07:53 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cvkbK-0007hq-BS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:03:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cvkbJ-0007hh-Sk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:03:53 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1cvkbD-000355-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:03:52 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1835020935 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:03:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3vymHh5Y3fz100b for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:03:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <58E4EB30.1040808@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 15:03:44 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5872C893.80807@abelian.org> <58755576.6000702@posteo.de> <58E2383D.9040206@posteo.de> <032a01d2acca$09680930$1c381b90$@comcast.net> <58E4DC88.3010404@posteo.de> <1569655395.20170405133202@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1569655395.20170405133202@gmail.com> X-Scan-Signature: 195b836cb7437e99aa05107459888659 Subject: Re: ULF: RE: A new distance record on 970 Hz / 309 km band ...earth antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11116 Hi Chris, Thank you. Well, the impdeance has been resistive-capacitive, like a RC series circuit, but mostly resistive. A few 100 Ohm on the feedpoint, quite uncomplicate to match. I simply used a ferrite transformer with about 300 turns on the secondary side and about 2x 20 turns primary, for the PA that was running at 12V. Now in spring it is certainly fun to play arround with long antennas. So if you consider to use them for MF/LF/VLF RX or TX, do it! :-) Of course you won't get 20% efficiency or so, even with a full size dipole. But it is worth to play with. If you have a piece of forest arround, you could build and run a small hidden transmitter and a small PA over night and then take the stuff back in the next day... Certainly worth a try. 73, Stefan Am 05.04.2017 14:32, schrieb Chris Wilson: > Hello Stefan, > > Wednesday, April 5, 2017 > > > > What impedance did you have to match with such an antenna used for TX > Stefan? Congratulations on your remarkable experiments at ULF, I am > stunned by what you are achieving "down there"! > > > >> Hi Jim, >> >> Thanks for your comments. You bring me (back) to the idea of using >> an earth antenna, this time for receiving. >> In 2012 i build up a 700m long wire antenna in the forest. It was >> grounded on both ends. I run a few 100 mA into the wire. >> One day i put 250 W into the antenna and got 10 dB SNR in 3.8 mHz at 8970 Hz in 45km distance. >> I remember G3XBMs blog entry: >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.de/2010/09/vlf-dx-transmission-with-earth.html >> That was quite a nice time. Activity was much higher these days, not only on VLF. >> I also used the antenna for reception and was impressed by the interesting frequency response. >> In the next 970 Hz experiment i want to drive to >> http://no.nonsense.ee/qth/map.html?qth=JN49JM36. During the >> recording of the E field signals are running i have some time. >> During this time i could try to use an earth antenna for ULF >> reception. It has the advantage that it is easy to build it up in a >> forest. Just 300m length or so. There has always been the discussion >> if such an antenna (with grounded ends) acts rather as a loop or as >> a dipole on the ground. I would expect a loop and so i will build it up. >> Comments/Ideas? >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> > >