Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v3SKJKCl024920 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 22:19:21 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1d4CET-0001bf-Hv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 21:11:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1d4CES-0001bW-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 21:11:12 +0100 Received: from omr-a001e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1d4CEP-00067p-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 21:11:11 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aab01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aab01.mx.aol.com [172.26.126.207]) by omr-a001e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 32BA638000B5 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb01f.mail.aol.com (core-acb01.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.1]) by mtaomg-aab01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5FDB638000083 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.95.60 by webprd-m107.mail.aol.com (10.74.63.49) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:11:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:11:04 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15bb6303397-2379-c8e6@webprd-m107.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <58FF7D56.2040007@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.95.60] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1493410265; bh=+ROQjpQa+HzmVYXOqY49BRIYk1gZ2pvUXQFQhdtNbhw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qSMa0WnXMT/TyVKqtPu69iyH8cqnajgwPVQ7/ekQwhBCQsQCnOGDlZ/0e7JPoqGT6 kZ+jgGShbLXIUJHJ6va5vLt4q4S95QelwTPFBFOeIEVgTQd+eh4iz6db88yFNQfeol q1Cz5uvpcz3ylnHKc2+LB8yy945d8josp/hPlQIk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7ecf5903a1d841e0 X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: VLF: DK7FC 8270.005 and DF6NM 8270.005139 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_64770_360829986.1493410263957" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11509 ------=_Part_64770_360829986.1493410263957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Around 17 UT, DK7FC has started another carrier on 8270.005 Hz. Since 20 UT, I am joining in on a slightly higher frequency, 8270.005 + 1/7200 Hz (i.e. 138.89 uHz up). Compared to Stefan, I can achieve about 60% current into 60% effective antenna height, so my ERP should be ~ 9 dB weaker. The two carriers will be resolved by a 47 uHz spectrogram. But at lower resolution (e.g. 424 uHz), they will merge into a two-hour sinusoidal beat pattern. The idea is to use that to indirectly measure our phase difference, by observing the times of maxima and minima at DL0AO in Amberg (and perhaps also in Paul's spectrogram). As both carriers are GPS locked, the two transmitters (or rather the two near-field pickup probe signals which are compared to GPS) will be in phase at even hours (UT), and in antiphase at odd hours. Using the known path difference (178 km = 4.9 lambda) to DL0AO, we could in principle calibrate the phase difference of our differently built phase-feedback probes. This could then be used in the future to obtain 2 to 3 dB directional gain in any desired direction. One shortcoming of the measurement may be that while the 48 km path from myself to DL0AO is groundwave dominated, there will be a strong and variable skywave contribution from DK7FC at 226 km. So any array steering calculated therefrom may be incorrect during the daytime, or for long-distance paths with skywave from both sources. It might however be possible to account for the diurnal phase change using the DK7FC-DF6NM colour-phase measurement from Jan 28/29. All the best, Markus (DF6NM) ------=_Part_64770_360829986.1493410263957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Around 17 UT, DK7FC has started another carrier on 8270.= 005 Hz. Since 20 UT, I am joining in on a slightly higher frequency, 8270.0= 05 + 1/7200 Hz (i.e. 138.89 uHz up). Compared to Stefan, I can achieve abou= t 60% current into 60% effective antenna height, so my ERP should be ~ 9 dB= weaker.
The two carriers will be resolved by a 47 uH= z spectrogram. But at lower resolution (e.g. 424 uHz), they will merge into= a two-hour sinusoidal beat pattern. The idea is to use that to indirectly = measure our phase difference, by observing the times of maxima and minima a= t DL0AO in Amberg (and perhaps also in Paul's spectrogram). As both carrier= s are GPS locked, the two transmitters (or rather the two near-field pickup= probe signals which are compared to GPS) will be in phase at even hours (U= T), and in antiphase at odd hours. Using the known path difference (178 km = =3D 4.9 lambda) to DL0AO, we could in principle calibrate the phase differe= nce of our differently built phase-feedback probes. This could then be used= in the future to obtain 2 to 3 dB directional gain in any desired directio= n.

One shortcoming of the measurement may be that whil= e the 48 km path from myself to DL0AO is groundwave dominated, there will b= e a strong and variable skywave contribution from DK7FC at 226 km. So any a= rray steering calculated therefrom may be incorrect during the daytime, or = for long-distance paths with skywave from both sources. It might however be= possible to account for the diurnal phase change using the DK7FC-DF6NM col= our-phase measurement from Jan 28/29.

All the best,Markus (DF6NM)

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