Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v3FBGNtt023246 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:16:24 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1czLdC-00040e-Ff for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2017 12:12:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1czLdB-00040V-Pv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2017 12:12:41 +0100 Received: from omr-a018e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1czLd8-000553-2x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2017 12:12:40 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aam01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aam01.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.147]) by omr-a018e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EFE1538000BC for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2017 07:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb01d.mail.aol.com (core-acb01.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.1]) by mtaomg-aam01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 993FD38000084 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2017 07:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.95.60 by webprd-a03.mail.aol.com (10.72.4.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Apr 2017 07:12:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 07:12:32 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15b71507e5b-46ba-1eb67@webprd-a03.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <855a44fe-3818-3641-ea48-aa123516a602@abelian.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.95.60] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1492254752; bh=v0jyXdvzjn8WwpXICNzHvoHOr6kk/boglaVD3a9eRho=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pxT3OZBKBMEOVpdAN2CiWtytH5S1q6q1Y2JakB4V4RTti2o7/2faHMN9Ai6xhdjJ9 vQ89YNCR+ha9zAtzg89qoNF62KwZdZqjMqVtzSg9x4OZ3r4vq5PBrGt793FVIUO2AE KoStTafqI4tYsyh7D3R5bscLn8K+vSQ+dKAYgJBg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b139358f200200d50 X-Scan-Signature: 75bd9e83b9a4dd6aff3296cebc5bb885 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 6470.005 Hz - and 6469.9975 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_149502_619075802.1492254752344" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11306 ------=_Part_149502_619075802.1492254752344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks again Paul! Using 0.21 A cutrrent into 8 m effective height, my radi= ated power should have been 2.1 uW EMRP (or 3.8 uW dipole-referenced ERP).= =20 Note that though the phase is reproducable, it still is not absolute as I h= ave not attempted to calibrate the near-field pickup probe. I am actually u= sing my normal VLF receive antenna, with two transformers and an amplifier = which may even be partially saturated. For the same reason, the 150=C2=B0 p= hase difference to Stefan's signal cannot be directly related to geometrica= l path difference. Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Paul Nicholson An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 15. Apr 2017 9:44 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 6470.005 Hz - and 6469.9975 Hz Markus wrote: > My carrier was on air from 13:30 until 20:35 UT. Averaged 0.06 fT, S/N 13.0 dB in 39.7 uHz, phase -88.6 degrees. Not bad for 1028 km at 6470 Hz, and I suppose about 5 or 10uW ERP? Here is 4 hours of Stefan's signal yesterday http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170414a.png -- Paul Nicholson -- ------=_Part_149502_619075802.1492254752344 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks again Paul! Using 0.21 A cutrrent into 8 m effect= ive height, my radiated power should have been 2.1 uW EMRP (or 3.8 uW = dipole-referenced ERP).

Note that though the phase is reproducable,= it still is not absolute as I have not attempted to calibrate the nea= r-field pickup probe. I am actually using my normal VLF receive antenn= a, with two transformers and an amplifier which may even be partially satur= ated. For the same reason, the 150=C2=B0 phase difference to Stef= an's signal cannot be directly related to geometrical path difference.
<= br>Best 73,
Markus       


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Von: Paul Nicholson <vlf0403= @abelian.org>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org><= br>Verschickt: Sa, 15. Apr 2017 9:44
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 6470.0= 05 Hz - and 6469.9975 Hz


Markus wrote:

> My car= rier was on air from 13:30 until 20:35 UT.

Averaged 0.06 fT, S/N 13= .0 dB in 39.7 uHz, phase -88.6 degrees.

Not bad for 1028 km at 6470= Hz, and I suppose about 5 or 10uW ERP?

Here is 4 hours of Stefan's = signal yesterday

http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170414a.png

--Paul Nicholson
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