Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v3IHbbMv008046 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 19:37:39 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1d0X1U-0007Dj-Un for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:34:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1d0X1U-0007Da-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:34:40 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1d0X1Q-0006K9-RG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:34:39 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.109]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id 0X0HdizmgAfZs0X1LdPjsz; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:34:31 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1492536871; bh=E18rtSdr4De4TQZ+nsc7VUvfSd2UEn8xbRcxCAcbbBo=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ff1mIT2kfXSusW3OZdNLOvPNByqzAcgoesyzczNdTWfxFFwDiBZt7qYWfCEw0wOQz GUtLY6jzWmEHWgGQxt5Z/OeszUR0PpMwKszGg4hUzGOBnKkTeT9pzKWrAmYXkjdYxE NVLsJtolOJx4aNNDkok2Uja5FqPdb0BU3fw10/KzwJPWdZOtW30uAeazz/ULqu9pce sbfiBzPRrXOrhLZkIroxi5zuJ/sgVMBUo4oGGcjU0TYLbXl6zq68tqMk3L53bO/FeL KSr1QKVJtRKSO1Mbx39i2PxPNM0cTSP+KkIXiKKRekAxXxUbMELiSOxvqmfjvKSZM/ tfS+IlBCCSnBw== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:140:8500:7f9f:91b2:9496:b9a:1297]) by resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id 0X1Kd6CAOAtR20X1Kd8SLh; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:34:31 +0000 From: To: References: <15b72b3360e.marcocadeddu@tin.it> <731997437.20170416124847@gmail.com> <58F525B4.9090008@posteo.de> <1229336941.20170418125840@gmail.com> <58F60567.20001@posteo.de> <58F63C48.4020006@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <58F63C48.4020006@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:34:26 -0400 Message-ID: <03a001d2b86a$07892bc0$169b8340$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKVO1UDoNP2zwKKkHFmR2n8RBSNZwKXuyu6Au9tA+MBZsp7mwGkmSfKAewSkbif8mHcsA== Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfAgcJRAQPMG35X7Roy47BTgEVDMq++JpHPz6ioamaXjBorVvMMxq5QhyNB/6IUFgjpFlPVyFVeMXxJvlZzzHTnyOTINWrMKO7CsqXDiP4oRoWeekLC2Z pdEiwck88hcLJZfAe2Mjlzp2EMnJiI2uKj4= X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: LF: RE: A transductor for power regulation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lipkowski.org id v3IHbbMv008046 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11377 Stefan, Sounds very interesting; would the function of the DC input primarily be to reduce output amplitude during the microseconds-long transitions between QRSS states or EbNaut or OP32 states? Or to modulate? Or to keep the transformer below but near to saturation for click suppression? 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DK7FC Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:18 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: A transductor for power regulation? Hi all, I'm just thinking about transductors and find them them quite fascinating again. I read a bit Wikipedia and thought about the use as a steerable transformer. Imagine you have a hard switching class D PA, H bridge or so. The output is a constant voltage source and it is no problem to connect no load, as long as a proper type of low pass filter is used. Then imagine a simple 1:1 ferrite transformer, 50 Ohm to 50 Ohm. The transformer has a 3rd winding for a DC current (to compensate the AC component transformed from the RF windings, 2 cores must be used, which are in parallel for the RF and anti-serial for DC). Then i can saturate the transformer with the DC so the µr falls down to 1. With this arrangement i could build a linear PA out of a switch mode PA, even a fast one, which avoids key-clicks, at least in QRSS-3 (you remember the mode) or OP32 or even EbNaut on LF? Sounds like an interesting experiment at least. The question is how warm the transformer would become when the RF output current is permanently reduced to 50%. Has someone ever tried that on LF/MF? 73, Stefan