Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_PASS,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v27A5Y1g010698 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:05:35 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1clBqP-0001Kr-8m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:55:49 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1clBqO-0001Ki-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:55:48 +0000 Received: from mail-qk0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22c]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1clBqL-0002do-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:55:47 +0000 Received: by mail-qk0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id y76so67378536qkb.0 for ; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 01:55:45 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KdzuFqvOBwaXs336bmDPDtK73oR4oWpGhiuD5VZuLf0=; b=ghPeRtatajzznWGvGh9cSPCLF4pZbimLtG3t+uTPUQni5MjMvFtCt+SjiLJ8OQmmNa 8LqBVeVnDfPDy5rVTgLtDlQuBepLMtkdNzOGmFuq1FO8W3b6/Eq6cU/4772/a1ohup78 Bb4Ab9OCIsQ7tild+skUvXotI4wj10GeWoWoXw6TN+5sYDZU98++06Bv/hVRQ849A/B1 2FzyWd+SrrR+nWmiG0W3mdfd/E9MAVIp40h6MYlh5rPsmuNWmTGSYAAxmVksICCoKpBy brotHMQnw6c8W4ZYxx4WSnUd0uc2M/m1KxjMkVQSZqr+M9EnAtVwF4KdDEydNaNoWaNC a2TA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=KdzuFqvOBwaXs336bmDPDtK73oR4oWpGhiuD5VZuLf0=; b=EioWkKnhmq+16y+a6SWkCU+o0pwnlonb3GKPmK6WHEco1YFned9B/JqxYFyZB18hSE 5uIaG53CRgKJZ2lDVgIRiPVctu36X2Om7YeOFVE5cfDu2FnB9zN4HpXhAAMqP3v8xYzs eSPpkfiD65UuwRxxLLaS7fZUb/phZa/4dhGe4Lk6Yk7TGbbBL/iEzgLyn1C18DGUXXSS DZOHzOpZ7VXMTvaIA/oCO9IH/B7LCeyX1HP2VRiJgAp6eUpxC7HFs8E8Ogzi8qH2dJam ExHhaBMQwN1Jitntaq83MiMBzopF4okGEBJTYjQCeCfjCa/yljvXlBju5frnIW4LKsHz 8XNw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39m6i0BhovsG2MoLwj5nkvs7LLU9JnnF9e5h1XgY2wiqomQVYlZKAcsBuGYk9U4Wv76Gj7aukF1kEB8k3g== X-Received: by 10.55.18.158 with SMTP id 30mr21282104qks.123.1488880543973; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 01:55:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.33.17 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 01:55:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <505d2471-2174-612c-7b1e-695f26d0f841@abelian.org> References: <58B34590.3030802@posteo.de> <58B34924.6060005@posteo.de> <81b61b29-0b37-3e1c-1a42-f9153a1c7870@abelian.org> <505d2471-2174-612c-7b1e-695f26d0f841@abelian.org> From: Roger Lapthorn Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 09:55:43 +0000 Message-ID: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Scan-Signature: 1bc6486c2865e7dc2ff7578e6d7fc226 Subject: Re: VLF: 16K19A? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1146f482efc88b054a2103e8 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10800 --001a1146f482efc88b054a2103e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 One thing is certain. Both Paul and Stefan know FAR more than most of us! Keep up the great work "pushing the boundaries". 73s Roger G3XBM On 6 March 2017 at 21:35, Paul Nicholson wrote: > > The search for a good rate 1/16 K=19 code continues without > success. > > I improved the code search program. It examines 2 million > polynomials per CPU second. After some hundreds of CPU > hours it finds about 80,000 potential codes and these go for > further testing. Some of these look quite good, 96 of them > have minimum distance equal to the Heller bound. > > But strangely none perform better than 8K19A when using long > lists (eg 500k list size). Several do better than 8K19A but > only up to list length of 10 or so. > > Perhaps there is some subtle mistake in the program? So I > tested the search program on rate 1/8 K=19 and it soon produced > several new good codes, one of which is consistently better > than 8K19A at all list lengths. > > So something strange is going on. I didn't have this difficulty > with the stronger codes. The more I learn about this subject, > the less I seem to know. Something I don't understand is > happening here. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > > --001a1146f482efc88b054a2103e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One thing is certain. Both Paul and Stefan know FAR m= ore than most of us! Keep up the great work "pushing the boundaries&qu= ot;.

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 6 March 2017 at 21:35,= Paul Nicholson <vlf0403@abelian.org> wrote:

The search for a good rate 1/16 K=3D19 code continues without
success.

I improved the code search program.=C2=A0 It examines 2 million
polynomials per CPU second.=C2=A0 After some hundreds of CPU
hours it finds about 80,000 potential codes and these go for
further testing.=C2=A0 Some of these look quite good, 96 of them
have minimum distance equal to the Heller bound.

But strangely none perform better than 8K19A when using long
lists (eg 500k list size).=C2=A0 =C2=A0Several do better than 8K19A but
only up to list length of 10 or so.

Perhaps there is some subtle mistake in the program?=C2=A0 So I
tested the search program on rate 1/8 K=3D19 and it soon produced
several new good codes, one of which is consistently better
than 8K19A at all list lengths.

So something strange is going on.=C2=A0 I didn't have this difficulty with the stronger codes.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The more I learn about this subject, the less I seem to know.=C2=A0 Something I don't understand is
happening here.

--
Paul Nicholson
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