Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v2RJvO3o017628 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:57:25 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1csahs-0007ft-SJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:53:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1csahs-0007fk-C1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:53:36 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1csahp-0003Tq-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:53:35 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:To:References:Reply-To:Subject:Sender:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ZIfrZD9PqnmKO2k6N0SNujuN8cOUbd1qJAt85u3Z2/A=; b=wjwts0M9aac2M8Zned/HEDnVTD //vZHIIqMlxpJSIX+RbrGrxfKCDUWIe9Ozn25YZd+e8+vkpQYV4GWKx6ANn9KG+76XJg9QcmEO12J S7PClKc9DGB4zcAAhXd8sSCuTJvgafaKKxxjkYPSoNcDRt9lqYP6R8Rv43jwINhgaCbE=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:47097 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1csaho-0000BF-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:53:32 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3DE400052 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:53:32 +0000 (UTC) References: <93ae1c86-9b2e-8313-069f-8b0d941b49c8@abelian.org> <15b0c931d98-7d4f-1e43e@webprd-a90.mail.aol.com> <00d601d2a67b$6e472430$4ad56c90$@comcast.net> <4300a482-e7b9-17c3-5ece-7bfa12b4a352@abelian.org> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <696b4e5b-2b63-e5e5-c91c-3b2f78ee9f82@abelian.org> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:53:32 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4300a482-e7b9-17c3-5ece-7bfa12b4a352@abelian.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC in Todmorden at 2970 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11036 Jim wrote: > I’m not sure if Paul’s stacking process is more > akin to coherent integration of the time-domain data It is. I'm simply adding the daily signals in the time domain. A box car averaging with a repetition period of 24 hours. The signal (hopefully) adds coherently to sum to 9 times the average amplitude of the received signal. For the plots, I divide by nine (and by the average normalisation factor) to give a y axis scale representing the average received signal strength. The signal doesn't integrate so well if I just do a single 9 day integration (actually 817200 seconds which is 2017-03-11_13:00 to 2017-03-21_00:00, 9.45 days) in 1.22 uHz bandwidth. For this I extract 13:00 to 00:00 each day, padding the gaps with zeros. The peak is there but S/N not so good, only about 3 sigma. I haven't been able yet to get anything out of the four 'unused' days (17th and 21st to 23rd). > Hard to imagine a tougher frequency range than the > neighborhood of 2970 Hz. The average sferic energy is less here, so the sferic blanker is having to do less work - typically about 5% blanking factor. The threshold doesn't seem very critical at all. The signal is amidst a forest of mains harmonics. That's not actually a problem so long as the rx is impeccably linear and the hum doesn't have too many sidebands. Maybe I'm just at an awkward distance where for example ground wave and sky wave are often cancelling. In one respect the propagation ought to be simpler - we're below the waveguide cut-off frequency of the higher modes. One problem I have with the very narrow bandwidths (ie less than say 10uHz) is numerical noise due to limited floating point precision. This certainly happens with the Goertzel algorithm of vtnspec and I have to use vtwspec for the long integrations. -- Paul Nicholson --