Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v2LKKPL5026728 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:20:27 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cqQC7-0008Ev-6Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:15:51 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cqQC4-0008Em-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:15:48 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1cqQC0-0006Xv-WE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:15:47 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=PlkIcmITHqaw1KyMR4BT/rM8WQF/JbvH+7CBrmGI+4s=; b=nLImuUDurYfZQH6wDfntdT4fiY 85l7XfNRePoCIPmEdUpL+jyxZlU2rJV8q5Ea6i453vlPXkGzou711FK832n2aXK83IbEAR4knVjnP 1Bl1ifIpUNOA7XerwGmWy/z2q0+sZAQOeszGsMO9JTDTWNmIkITrZ7lZCIwNYUSV2ScE=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:48006 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.88) (envelope-from ) id 1cqQBz-0001MA-F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:15:43 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AF4400923 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:15:42 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15ab5924c85-6837-1eec0@webprd-a101.mail.aol.com> <6f50fc19-4302-204c-d14f-deb705f76601@freenet.de> <58C2E24C.6020409@posteo.de> <58C7E621.3000906@posteo.de> <8a2c82ce-ba0a-de45-25d5-1c155165b3ed@psk31.plus.com> <0d073f34-795a-628d-db68-77f5e7336eea@abelian.org> <61c49d39-3794-ba91-0057-c9606788471a@abelian.org> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <51c13f4c-b432-e967-2a38-971b265e5eb0@abelian.org> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:15:41 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 4d97240a623a26620214cd27feaa9f71 Subject: Re: ULF: New carrier near 2970 Hz... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10957 Jacek wrote: > what noiseblanker settings did you find to be the > best on 2970Hz? I've been trying a range of settings. I reverted back to simple (daytime) options vtfilter -ath=5,bw=1 -h bp,f=3370,w=1000 | vtblank -a25 -d0 -t100 -v (using vtblank from the latest version v0.8 of vlfrx-tools) for the current run of stacking trials. Blanking factor is less than 5%. There is not so much sferic energy in this band and I'm only gaining about 5dB or so. I don't know the best settings, they may depend on how effective the hum filtering is. I did some trials with injected signals but the optimum setting didn't work very well on vlf6. I really don't know much about sferic blanking anymore - I used to do but now I'm reduced to guesswork. Stefan wrote: > 3 sigma. Nothing to get excited about, 3 sigma is nothing really. In every spectrum I run there are 3 sigma peaks, but after hundreds of 2970 spectra it's the first 3 sigma that's on the right frequency and it also happens to have about the right bearing (although the relative phase is funny which counts against it). > How much sigma do you need to make a secure claim 5 is good. I'll take 4 if it has the right bearing and relative phase. Of course, it has to be exactly the right frequency. > Thanks for the overview of the signal received in > Bielefeld. Quite strong and stable! Yes. I can't measure the phase unfortunately, too many timing breaks, same problem with Cumiana. About 65 breaks per day on vlf6, about 40 per day on vlf15. A long standing problem which is no problem for natural radio but prevents reliable long integrations. Here, I have only one timing break in several months and that was on 1st Jan due to the leap second. The one before that was a power cut in a storm last autumn. With this 2970 test and trials of convolutional codes my poor workstation is getting hammered! Still haven't produced a rate 1/16 K=19 code that's any good but I've made a little progress in calculating code performance, eg http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170321a.gif It took 9 CPU hours to calculate the 8K19A curve but over 200 CPU hours to accurately measure the performance, so that's some gain although it's taken me 18 months to work out the math. Wish I'd paid more attention during math at school! Unfortunately the calculation for higher rank leads to some hideous combinatorics. I have to find a better way. One thing for sure with this VLF hobby, we're never short of interesting challenges - everywhere you look there is something new to try. -- Paul Nicholson --