Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v2QLktbR012827 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 23:46:56 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1csFx3-0008H3-4i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:43:53 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1csFww-0008Gu-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:43:46 +0100 Received: from omr-m018e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1csFws-0007ta-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:43:45 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mbd02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbd02.mx.aol.com [172.26.252.16]) by omr-m018e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 85BB73800042 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 17:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-ace04g.mail.aol.com (core-ace04.mail.aol.com [172.27.23.4]) by mtaomg-mbd02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 525FF38000082 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 17:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.95.60 by webprd-a90.mail.aol.com (10.72.104.214) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 26 Mar 2017 17:43:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 17:43:40 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15b0c931d98-7d4f-1e43e@webprd-a90.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <93ae1c86-9b2e-8313-069f-8b0d941b49c8@abelian.org> References: <93ae1c86-9b2e-8313-069f-8b0d941b49c8@abelian.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.95.60] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1490564620; bh=1k24d5tZZsu/Sx8BtDk6P9/qo4BD0a2s5rnM1zYBcMo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CmuAOpdGgipHtuEczGi1gzoLFHOPcz9msJ8yArou3wE3jcX3GeO21kcm/osmyWUb4 SP3ZlRrR4I0ySHsdYUIttrx/5Ta9nbqv3fZi6NRPmi3sCi2IMFeRBtF4ZWQ3gkQcQ6 h/QgpyLqAEl0z5uq0zQMt2e2vFLXb2j3QuLchvgs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afc1058d8360c0c91 X-Scan-Signature: 21e2055b299bd63ed331c37c8a3e15ca Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC in Todmorden at 2970 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_144150_1178434437.1490564619671" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11025 ------=_Part_144150_1178434437.1490564619671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations Paul and Stefan, that is a very nice confirmation! > stacking 13:00 to 00:00=20 Interesting that this worked well, as it includes the sunset terminator, an= d would typically be the time of highest QRN background on higher frequenci= es. =20 > is normalised by the average power in a 20Hz bandwidth=20 I would think that a little more benefit could be achieved by further downw= eighting the days with higher noise (gain factor -2 dB / 1 dB ). Still wondering who of you has spent more Joules on this, the transmitter o= r the data processing on the receive side ;-) All the best, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Paul Nicholson An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 26. Mrz 2017 22:43 Betreff: LF: DK7FC in Todmorden at 2970 Hz Stefan wrote (10th March): > Since 16:56 UTC i'm running 180 mA antenna current > on (2970 + 7/(24*3600)) Hz, i.e. on 2970.000081 Hz After coherently stacking 13:00 to 00:00 for 9 days in a bandwidth of 25.25 uHz I get a clear signal at significance of around 5 sigma: http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170326a.png The peak has S/N 14.0 dB in 25.25uHz, which is -66 dB in 2.5kHz bandwidth. Signal azimuth is east with the expected phase angle between E and H antennas. The days used were 11th to 16th plus 18th to 20th. Attempting to include the 17th, or 21st to 23rd reduced the S/N. Leaving out any of the nine stacks days also reduces the S/N. The amplitude of each daily contribution is normalised by the average power in a 20Hz bandwidth around the signal frequency. No other bandwidth or daily time range produces a stronger peak. 14:00 to 19:00 in 55.5 uHz gives about 12dB S/N. So far, no attempt has been made to compensate for night time phase delay. Distance is 881.2 km, approximately 8.7 wavelengths. -- Paul Nicholson -- ------=_Part_144150_1178434437.1490564619671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations Paul and Stefan, that is a very nice con= firmation!

> stacking 13:00 to 00:00
Interesting that this wo= rked well, as it includes the sunset terminator, and wo= uld typically be the time of highest QRN background on higher fre= quencies.   

> is normalised by the average power = in a 20Hz bandwidth
I would think that a little more benefit could= be achieved by further downweighting the days with higher noise (gain fact= or -2 dB / 1 dB ).

Still wondering who of you has spent more Jo= ules on this, the transmitter or the data processing on the receive si= de ;-)

All the best,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mittei= lung-----
Von: Paul Nicholson <vlf0403@abelian.org>
An: rsgb_l= f_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 26. Mrz 201= 7 22:43
Betreff: LF: DK7FC in Todmorden at 2970 Hz


Stef= an wrote (10th March):

> Since 16:56 UTC i'm running 180 mA ant= enna current
> on (2970 + 7/(24*3600)) Hz, i.e. on 2970.000081 Hz
After coherently stacking 13:00 to 00:00 for 9 days in a
bandwidth = of 25.25 uHz I get a clear signal at significance
of around 5 sigma:
=
= http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170326a.png

The peak has S/N 14.0 dB = in 25.25uHz, which is -66 dB in
2.5kHz bandwidth. Signal azimuth is ea= st with the expected
phase angle between E and H antennas.

The da= ys used were 11th to 16th plus 18th to 20th. Attempting
to include the = 17th, or 21st to 23rd reduced the S/N.
Leaving out any of the nine stack= s days also reduces the S/N.

The amplitude of each daily contributio= n is normalised by
the average power in a 20Hz bandwidth around the sign= al
frequency.

No other bandwidth or daily time range produces a s= tronger
peak. 14:00 to 19:00 in 55.5 uHz gives about 12dB S/N.

= So far, no attempt has been made to compensate for night time
phase dela= y.

Distance is 881.2 km, approximately 8.7 wavelengths.

--Paul Nicholson
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