Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: dcc1: mailn 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v2OJokxF001610 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:50:47 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1crVBW-0004ze-20 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:47:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1crVBV-0004zV-Io for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:47:41 +0000 Received: from omr-m002e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1crVBS-00082x-MK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:47:40 +0000 Received: from mtaomg-mac01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mac01.mx.aol.com [172.26.222.207]) by omr-m002e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B8ABC38000AF for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-ace04g.mail.aol.com (core-ace04.mail.aol.com [172.27.23.4]) by mtaomg-mac01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8826C3800008B for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.95.60 by webprd-a48.mail.aol.com (10.72.57.76) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:47:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:47:35 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15b01dc2110-79d2-20114@webprd-a48.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1571552606.20170324191313@gmail.com> References: <1571552606.20170324191313@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.95.60] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1490384856; bh=RKndvmrNKMllzNwlxjWvSZFxcG+aIbPc1wW0VvfSNQ4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=slb+a7zp/ckbFHVB9wSAOuGeQFUrycMxl2j76438gsj6m0JeoLtwqryb/Y9adLPga z51Ox+J11RJMFrXT6JBqVcEpdzNn0pdEom9qIzOaHgLzFIADpz9YQGZOFU97ipsaAY rodhZ2EqDbGIApN7fUXjo5Or8c9hW9UugYTB/otg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adecf58d577d77b51 X-Scan-Signature: c9d6a1e47761f7ec7375ac340bef30d0 Subject: Re: LF: Stacking toroids Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_155320_463322407.1490384855310" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10998 ------=_Part_155320_463322407.1490384855310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Chris, this will work. Doubling the core cross section will halve the f= lux density, and reduce the per-core dissipation by at least a factor of fo= ur. The improvement may be more if the flux was so high that losses were do= minated by hysteresis (up to a factor of 8). 73, Markus (DF6NM)=20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Chris Wilson An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 24. Mrz 2017 20:15 Betreff: LF: Stacking toroids Hello LF people, If I have a ferrite toroidal output transformer for a push pull Class D 136kHz amp, that gets warmish after a WSPR15 session, what would happen if I wound the same number of primary and secondary turns on two cores stacked together, all else remaining the same? Would it run cooler, but retain its transformation ratio, or would other things occur to make it not that simple? Thanks. --=20 Best regards, Chris 2E0ILY mailto:dead_fets@gmail.com ------=_Part_155320_463322407.1490384855310 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Chris, this will work. Doubling the core cross secti= on will halve the flux density, and reduce the per-core dissipation by at l= east a factor of four. The improvement may be more if the flux wa= s so high that losses were dominated by hysteresis (up to a factor of 8).
73, Markus (DF6NM) 


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Von: Chris Wilson <dead.fets@gmail.com>
An: rsgb_lf_gro= up <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 24. Mrz 2017 20:= 15
Betreff: LF: Stacking toroids

Hello LF people,

= If I have a ferrite toroidal output transformer for a push
= pull Class D 136kHz amp, that gets warmish after a WSPR15
= session, what would happen if I wound the same number of
prima= ry and secondary turns on two cores stacked together,
all el= se remaining the same? Would it run cooler, but
retain its t= ransformation ratio, or would other things
occur to make it = not that simple? Thanks.

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Best regards,
Chris 2E0ILY = mailto:dead_fets@= gmail.com


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