Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v27JNrx5012314 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:54 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1clKZJ-0003DG-7z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 19:14:45 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1clKYl-0003D7-Ki for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 19:14:11 +0000 Received: from omr-a017e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.68]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1clKYh-00048Z-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 19:14:10 +0000 Received: from mtaomg-mac01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mac01.mx.aol.com [172.26.222.207]) by omr-a017e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1233638000B4 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-ace06g.mail.aol.com (core-ace06.mail.aol.com [172.27.23.6]) by mtaomg-mac01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 948D338000086 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 188.192.95.60 by webprd-m38.mail.aol.com (10.74.63.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Mar 2017 14:14:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:14:03 -0500 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15aaa314e50-7ac8-16c2b@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <58BDCDD7.6040205@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.95.60] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1488914044; bh=ylfwV51Qwdwfm/lR5OEJQf8/zOtSkOlp8Lk9/+TIMxA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eqzvMgn/Yrj19pc/gwIWWDE1I43o/nRTyYJ2Ybri+/H+M3UOWv7sPPJe9GRVRR+I3 7evT9Rmqh1gUBgo33dT0qIhcGhyAGFRGcwVfT2dMC0XCueAd/QudqfsxjWtf7KZk91 iuorr7R1ATyY0x5F21kKn5x4VmapP/MzTYRCEPKc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adecf58bf067b5f72 X-Scan-Signature: 4f449c45f7b1894a9195a328eedaeb30 Subject: Re: VLF: Tonite... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_113891_50309242.1488914042441" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10802 ------=_Part_113891_50309242.1488914042441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> The 5 uHz offset may come from the fixed samplerate in the sr file. The = real samplerate is drifting of course, so there may be very small offsets t= o the value in the file. Maybe not. With samplerate lock activated in SpecLab, a samplerate error sh= ould not affect the center frequency, and only scale the frequency offset e= ntered into the EbNaut decoder. In my settings, the FFT is usually centered= on 8270.0 Hz, so with 0.5 ppm SR uncertainty Stefan's signal at +0.1 Hz mi= ght be misplaced by a negligible +-0.05 uHz. However as far as I know, Alex= has anyway centered his FFT on 8270.1, so the samplerate deviation has no = influence on frequency and phase. Thus the observed 5 uHz offset is more li= kely due to a gradual change of propagation phase. Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mo, 6. Mrz 2017 22:01 Betreff: Re: VLF: Tonite... Hello Alex,=20 Thanks for the 2 character decode. Unfortunately my 2nd attempt for the 8 = CH message has started to late. And yesterday, the rain was so strong that = it triggered the safety function, although the limit was set to -150 mA! I = need a waterproof housing for the coil, not only a trash bag. And i need to= insert the transductor to compensate at least a drift of 20 Hz or so. The 5 uHz offset may come from the fixed samplerate in the sr file. The re= al samplerate is drifting of course, so there may be very small offsets to = the value in the file. When will you be in the garden next time? 73, Stefan ... ------=_Part_113891_50309242.1488914042441 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> The 5 uHz offset may come from the fixed sample= rate in the sr file. The real samplerate is drifting of course, so there ma= y be very small offsets to the value in the file.

Maybe not. With sa= mplerate lock activated in SpecLab, a samplerate error should&nbs= p;not affect the center frequency, and only scale the frequency offset ente= red into the EbNaut decoder. In my settings, the FFT is usually c= entered on 8270.0 Hz, so with 0.5 ppm SR uncertainty Stefan'= s signal at +0.1 Hz might be misplaced by a negligible +-0.05 uHz= . However as far as I know, Alex has anyway centered his FFT on 8270.1,&nbs= p;so the samplerate deviation has no influence on frequency = and phase. Thus the observed 5 uHz offset is more likely due to a grad= ual change of propagation phase.

Best 73,
Markus

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An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: = Mo, 6. Mrz 2017 22:01
Betreff: Re: VLF: Tonite...

Hello Alex,

Thanks for the 2 character decode. Unfortunately my 2nd attempt for the 8 CH message has started to late. And yesterday, the rain was so strong that it triggered the safety function, although the limit was set to -150 mA! I need a waterproof housing for the coil, not only a trash bag. And i need to insert the transductor to compensate at least a drift of  20 Hz or so.

The 5 uHz offset may come from the fixed samplerate in the sr file. The real samplerate is drifting of course, so there may be very small offsets to the value in the file.

When will you be in the garden next time?

73, Stefan
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