Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v1BCIQkv018378 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:18:27 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ccWZn-0001JV-Fw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:14:51 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ccWZk-0001JM-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:14:48 +0000 Received: from omr-a015e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1ccWZh-0008KL-B8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:14:47 +0000 Received: from mtaomg-aab02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aab02.mx.aol.com [172.26.126.208]) by omr-a015e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 959243800091 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 07:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-acb07d.mail.aol.com (core-acb07.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.7]) by mtaomg-aab02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4E76A38000081 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 07:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 188.192.95.60 by webprd-a69.mail.aol.com (10.72.57.79) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 11 Feb 2017 07:14:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 07:14:42 -0500 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15a2d18c6ce-34ef-415@webprd-a69.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.95.60] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1486815283; bh=QNeO4VMDozNoIYebiQNZhgzTJGuiseRkwpGl+nXwFwc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=euHB34SUV9ClpJtjANW0YebFrGFnlZOnimaxxHLD+M5Y2PQHvzYstujwhco8zDYjm iNYEl+r2CjKHVXnUSyvMa+QUzoTnDN1hfqhw0l/uTXirPu5YA9luqbs2XCK9+xer/O hW916ZJTPuX5uboMrdHP0i0RS5+D45WfGBKivVRw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7ed0589f00334fc4 X-Scan-Signature: fc3d8c10ca3a892a89bd967871e764e2 Subject: Re: LF: EbNaut beaconing on LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1069_342304342.1486815282892" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10544 ------=_Part_1069_342304342.1486815282892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hi Domenico, as far as I know Joe's not using the pilot for SpecLab frequency lock, beca= use we found that the level required for this purpose would be so large tha= t it affects SNR. But the weak tone is still useful for a-posteriori determ= ination of his slightly variable RX-LO frequency.=20 Have you looked for the Loran lines in the files? Their frequencies are abs= olutely accurate. If you can find and use them, the pilot injection would b= ecome unnecessary. At least as long as the eLoran test transmissions from W= ildwood remain on air... Good luck, Markus=20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 11. Feb 2017 12:25 Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut beaconing on LF Hello Joe, LF Analisys is started here but i have some problem to found the pilot tone. I found a carrier at 137500 + 0.097 Hz with a good amplitude on 021000043.= txt file. I suppose this is your tone. On the following file (0210013.txt) = the tone is shifted at +0.0945 Hz but his amplitude is reduced of several d= B's and most probably this is not enough for the SL compensation process. Maybe i'm wrong, but seems that pilot tone disappares after this period of = time.=20 No success with 021000043.txt file (00.30 UT) searching mine and Riccardo= 's EbNaut signals. Still working on these files.. 73, Domenico iz7slz On 11 February 2017 at 02:02, wrote: Hi Domenico, EbNaughters, They are there. Thank-you for the signals and good luck with the processing. 73 Joe On Sat, 11 Feb 2017, Domenico IZ7SLZ wrote: Hi Joe, many thanks for the news and for listening last night. I think that these are the files to upload : 02100043 02100113 02100143 02100213 02100243 02100313 02100343 02100413 02100443 02100513 02100543 02100613 02100643 Thanks in advance. 73, Domenico iz7lsz On 10 February 2017 at 23:28, wrote: Hi Domenico, Markus, I was QSL last night and will be trying to decipher the files. In the mean time, I'll be happy to upload a selection from the following: 10/02/2017 00:50 1,722,763 02100023.txt 10/02/2017 01:00 1,726,085 02100033.txt 10/02/2017 01:10 1,729,138 02100043.txt 10/02/2017 01:20 1,728,414 02100053.txt 10/02/2017 01:30 1,729,243 02100103.txt 10/02/2017 01:40 1,730,089 02100113.txt 10/02/2017 01:50 1,731,313 02100123.txt 10/02/2017 02:00 1,730,247 02100133.txt 10/02/2017 02:10 1,728,654 02100143.txt 10/02/2017 02:20 1,727,439 02100153.txt 10/02/2017 02:30 1,727,488 02100203.txt 10/02/2017 02:40 1,728,258 02100213.txt 10/02/2017 02:50 1,730,316 02100223.txt 10/02/2017 03:00 1,731,318 02100233.txt 10/02/2017 03:10 1,731,974 02100243.txt 10/02/2017 03:20 1,732,601 02100253.txt 10/02/2017 03:30 1,734,040 02100303.txt 10/02/2017 03:40 1,733,984 02100313.txt 10/02/2017 03:50 1,732,407 02100323.txt 10/02/2017 04:00 1,732,032 02100333.txt 10/02/2017 04:10 1,730,527 02100343.txt 10/02/2017 04:20 1,729,818 02100353.txt 10/02/2017 04:30 1,728,160 02100403.txt 10/02/2017 04:40 1,726,563 02100413.txt 10/02/2017 04:50 1,725,159 02100423.txt 10/02/2017 05:00 1,724,693 02100433.txt 10/02/2017 05:10 1,723,009 02100443.txt 10/02/2017 05:20 1,722,004 02100453.txt 10/02/2017 05:30 1,721,957 02100503.txt 10/02/2017 05:40 1,722,702 02100513.txt 10/02/2017 05:50 1,723,323 02100523.txt 10/02/2017 06:00 1,723,621 02100533.txt 10/02/2017 06:10 1,721,201 02100543.txt 10/02/2017 06:20 1,717,729 02100553.txt 10/02/2017 06:30 1,717,857 02100603.txt 10/02/2017 06:40 1,718,412 02100613.txt 10/02/2017 06:50 1,722,189 02100623.txt 10/02/2017 07:00 1,723,705 02100633.txt 10/02/2017 07:10 1,722,470 02100643.txt 10/02/2017 07:20 1,722,844 02100653.txt 10/02/2017 07:30 1,721,744 02100703.txt 10/02/2017 07:40 1,720,981 02100713.txt 10/02/2017 07:50 1,720,357 02100723.txt 10/02/2017 08:00 1,719,757 02100733.txt 10/02/2017 08:10 1,718,611 02100743.txt 10/02/2017 08:20 1,718,148 02100753.txt 10/02/2017 08:30 1,717,861 02100803.txt 10/02/2017 08:40 1,717,337 02100813.txt 10/02/2017 08:50 1,718,192 02100823.txt 10/02/2017 09:00 1,718,566 02100833.txt 73 Joe VO1NA On Fri, 10 Feb 2017, Markus Vester wrote: Nice decodes from IZ7SLZ as well - here's one from the morning with very slightly positive Doppler. Wonder if VO1NA was listening? To verify frequency calibration, a couple of nearby Loran lines from Wildwood (GRI 8970) might be helpful: 137497.2129 Hz 137491.6388 Hz 137486.0647 Hz Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: IZ7SLZ An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 10. Feb 2017 0:17 Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut beaconing on LF On 2/9/2017 9:51 PM, Riccardo Zoli wrote: P.S.: Domenico, are you ready too? Yes, just completed installation of new EbSynth version. 07pre1. QRV EbNaut with 6 characters, 8k21A, 2s every 30 min on qrg 137495 Hz Carrier is on 2 minutes before and off 1 minute after the message (thanks Paul: PTT works very well). First transmission already started. QRT tomorrow at 08.00UT GL, 73 Domenico iz7slz ------=_Part_1069_342304342.1486815282892 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Hi Domenico,

as far as I know Joe's not= using the pilot for SpecLab frequency lock, because we found that the = ;level required for this purpose would be so large that it a= ffects SNR. But the weak tone is still useful for a-posteriori determinatio= n of his slightly variable RX-LO frequency. 

Have you look= ed for the Loran lines in the files? Their frequencies are absolutely accur= ate. If you can find and use them, the pilot injection would become unneces= sary. At least as long as the eLoran test transmissions from Wildwood remai= n on air...

Good luck,
Markus 


-----Urspr=C3=BCng= liche Mitteilung-----
Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.co= m>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschic= kt: Sa, 11. Feb 2017 12:25
Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut beaconing on LF
He= llo Joe, LF

Analisys is started here but i have some problem t= o found the pilot tone.
I found a  carrier at 137500 + 0.097 = Hz with a good amplitude on 021000043.txt file. I suppose this is your tone= . On the following file (0210013.txt) the tone is shifted at +0.0945 Hz but= his amplitude is reduced of several dB's and most probably this is  n= ot enough for the SL compensation process.
Maybe i'm wrong, b= ut seems that pilot tone disappares after this period of time.

No success with 021000043.txt file  (00.30 UT)  searching mine = and Riccardo's EbNaut signals.

Still working on these files..<= br>
73, Domenico iz7slz
On 11 February 2017 at 02:02, <jcraig@mun.ca> wrote:
Hi Domenico, EbNaughters,

They are there. Thank-you for the signals and
good luck with the processing.

73
Joe


On Sat, 11 Feb 2017, Domenico IZ7SLZ wrote:

Hi Joe,
many thanks for the news and for listening last night.
I think that these are the files to upload :

02100043
02100113
02100143
02100213
02100243
02100313
02100343
02100413
02100443
02100513
02100543
02100613
02100643


Thanks in advance.
73, Domenico iz7lsz



On 10 February 2017 at 23:28, <jcraig@mun.ca> wrote:

Hi Domenico, Markus,

I was QSL last night and will be trying to decipher the files.
In the mean time, I'll be happy to upload a selection from the following: 10/02/2017  00:50         1,722,763 02100023.= txt
10/02/2017  01:00         1,726,085 02100033.= txt
10/02/2017  01:10         1,729,138 0210004= 3.txt
10/02/2017  01:20         1,728,414 02100053.= txt
10/02/2017  01:30         1,729,243 02100103.= txt
10/02/2017  01:40         1,730,089 02100113.= txt
10/02/2017  01:50         1,731,313 02100123.= txt
10/02/2017  02:00         1,730,247 02100133.= txt
10/02/2017  02:10         1,728,654 02100143.= txt
10/02/2017  02:20         1,727,439 02100153.= txt
10/02/2017  02:30         1,727,488 02100203.= txt
10/02/2017  02:40         1,728,258 02100213.= txt
10/02/2017  02:50         1,730,316 02100223.= txt
10/02/2017  03:00         1,731,318 02100233.= txt
10/02/2017  03:10         1,731,974 02100243.= txt
10/02/2017  03:20         1,732,601 02100253.= txt
10/02/2017  03:30         1,734,040 02100303.= txt
10/02/2017  03:40         1,733,984 02100313.= txt
10/02/2017  03:50         1,732,407 02100323.= txt
10/02/2017  04:00         1,732,032 02100333.= txt
10/02/2017  04:10         1,730,527 02100343.= txt
10/02/2017  04:20         1,729,818 02100353.= txt
10/02/2017  04:30         1,728,160 0210040= 3.txt
10/02/2017  04:40         1,726,563 02100413.= txt
10/02/2017  04:50         1,725,159 02100423.= txt
10/02/2017  05:00         1,724,693 02100433.= txt
10/02/2017  05:10         1,723,009 02100443.= txt
10/02/2017  05:20         1,722,004 02100453.= txt
10/02/2017  05:30         1,721,957 02100503.= txt
10/02/2017  05:40         1,722,702 02100513.= txt
10/02/2017  05:50         1,723,323 02100523.= txt
10/02/2017  06:00         1,723,621 02100533.= txt
10/02/2017  06:10         1,721,201 02100543.= txt
10/02/2017  06:20         1,717,729 02100553.= txt
10/02/2017  06:30         1,717,857 02100603.= txt
10/02/2017  06:40         1,718,412 02100613.= txt
10/02/2017  06:50         1,722,189 02100623.= txt
10/02/2017  07:00         1,723,705 02100633.= txt
10/02/2017  07:10         1,722,470 02100643.= txt
10/02/2017  07:20         1,722,844 02100653.= txt
10/02/2017  07:30         1,721,744 02100703.= txt
10/02/2017  07:40         1,720,981 02100713.= txt
10/02/2017  07:50         1,720,357 02100723.= txt
10/02/2017  08:00         1,719,757 02100733.= txt
10/02/2017  08:10         1,718,611 02100743.= txt
10/02/2017  08:20         1,718,148 0210075= 3.txt
10/02/2017  08:30         1,717,861 02100803.= txt
10/02/2017  08:40         1,717,337 02100813.= txt
10/02/2017  08:50         1,718,192 0210082= 3.txt
10/02/2017  09:00         1,718,566 02100833.= txt

73
Joe VO1NA


On Fri, 10 Feb 2017, Markus Vester wrote:

Nice decodes from IZ7SLZ as well - here's one from the morning with very
slightly positive Doppler.


Wonder if VO1NA was listening? To verify frequency calibration, a couple of nearby Loran lines from Wildwood (GRI 8970) might be helpful:


137497.2129 Hz
137491.6388 Hz
137486.0647 Hz


Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&g= t;
Verschickt: Fr, 10. Feb 2017 0:17
Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut beaconing on LF





On 2/9/2017 9:51 PM, Riccardo Zoli wrote:







P.S.: Domenico, are you ready too?

Yes, just completed installation of new EbSynth version. 07pre1.

QRV EbNaut with 6 characters, 8k21A, 2s every 30 min on qrg 137495 Hz


Carrier is on 2 minutes before and off 1 minute after the message (thanks Paul: PTT works very well).


First transmission already started. QRT tomorrow at 08.00UT

GL, 73 Domenico iz7slz




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