Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id v090j93g018525 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 01:45:10 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cQO0a-0003ls-Ul for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 00:40:20 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cQO0a-0003lj-Ep for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 00:40:20 +0000 Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:38]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cQO0X-0001xU-PT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 00:40:19 +0000 Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id QO0GcHLZCTERUQO0Uckajs; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 00:40:14 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1483922414; bh=VyebWFbSeUpi/yKyWq52OEdwaH50N3k7+mZDZYbDrug=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=NNn23J8y+JQ7DcHirsXY9FvQhzB0u/dY7SovHuJ7j8KoQ/dCTK3sKHa4xcc82wBkP 78vpI2PsAsS/CpVjYIq823+c5C9pCnEPtvjRaqzVEF4itTAg0BoHNRSTFdbzamFjzC aqxd/5cOEXTska31Hx2YG67ME749O+w0bJe06K5IkoDi2vwGBYgcT4vUePPtc4kSXD cQjvXZ9TI67LT/orptv4qFsVjWds9SoMZ/cverlrBiRLxMVcqlaW5FZNLOzkR77A2R LZgwQAxT51q8MltcqU9PQqgud5RcaoMQxXywVUk/AiLjIjZiPcwGa+obg1L/U7/Fd5 aiFHrp8ixGb1w== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:141:0:bec5:a44f:e87e:2228:4f8d]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id QO0ScHLaTEDo7QO0Tc1ZqW; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 00:40:13 +0000 From: To: References: <5872C893.80807@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <5872C893.80807@abelian.org> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:40:08 -0500 Message-ID: <087301d26a10$ee7c4bf0$cb74e3d0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQH/WG6HdSYzf25Z+mzXJ05L2KR3RKDVb6Eg Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfMCUCvv6YkWBiPaA3tQoAaVlH8O/bjQxvrdi8RXNnkuqSE4FGRqbXuQrgvP/pKCbTgTZ6uyp5GyhIwYscf+u+2Y1REVwdaJUPWvnsTcdFSj6Ik1E8RiG 9Guy04lXJMgddfM6kXxidUlskbyIs4rwtY4= X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: LF: RE: Wideband EbNaut with prefix? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lipkowski.org id v090j93g018525 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10155 Very cool. Mine safety folks might like that. Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nicholson Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:18 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Wideband EbNaut with prefix? A decode from a near field test at VLF: Rank 6938 Eb/N0 -0.4 dB 8K19A 60 chars The interesting thing is, the symbol period is 6.25 milliseconds (3152 symbols for 19.7 second total duration) and the message was sent by magnetic coupling between two undisciplined soundcards. Received against the natural VLF background. The message was also 'unannounced'. EbNaut here is sending a coded prefix. The decoder monitors a band and searches for prefixes, then measures the frequency and timing accurately enough to decode the following message coherently. It relies on the undisciplined soundcard clock or RX LO being stable over the message duration, say up to a minute or so. The overhead of the prefix is at the moment 1.25dB, hoping to bring that down a bit. A delicate matter of balancing the prefix energy and message energy. No point in a detectable prefix if the message wont decode, or vice versa. In principle then, with a small Eb/N0 overhead, the decoder can take a live untimed I/Q stream from SpecLab or your favourite SDR and monitor a band a few Hz wide. The only thing you have to know in advance is the symbol rate. Coding in the prefix supplies the rest. No good of course for slow narrow band, but there might be applications for short duration wide band messages coherently detected and decoded with signals a dB or so from the limit. -- Paul Nicholson --