Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id uBLKQSnd030826 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 21:26:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cJnKF-0007hs-Hy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:17:23 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cJnKD-0007hj-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:17:21 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cJnKA-0007wo-Jl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:17:20 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04A1620B37 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 21:17:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3tkQt716mtz108d for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 21:17:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <585AE33E.9010507@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 21:17:02 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <158ddfd1f0b-5980-42e@webprd-a47.mail.aol.com> <584AC31C.20803@posteo.de> <584EAB0D.4060004@posteo.de>,<58555BA2.7050709@posteo.de> <1482320831911.81165@kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <1482320831911.81165@kuleuven.be> X-Scan-Signature: 47a967f57bae6380aac0a0062beb1b4e Subject: Re: LF: ULF experiment: A MEchanical Based Antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080005010803020901000902" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9894 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080005010803020901000902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Rik, Hmm, the subject should rather be "A mechanical based transmitter". That could be a funny game indeed, also the principle of distorting the signal with a saturating coil and then extracting harmonics... The antenna is available, i just need to apply the low voltage to the RG58 cable in the shack. And 2970 Hz is not much. My overall antenna losses are, 680 Ohm coil loss, about 200 Ohm ground loss, some losses in the ferrite transformer and not to forget the 70 uOhm radiation resistance, so let's say roughly 1 kOhm. For 0.1 A i just need 10 W and this is managable. It is also possible to control the speed of a motor/generator into a PLL. Even PSK is possible... Someone could do local tests in the lower ULF range. I will be there in some time too... 73, Stefan Am 21.12.2016 12:47, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > > Hi Stefan, > > > ever heard of a "A MEchanical Based Antenna​" ? > > Me neither until today ;-) > > Have a look at > https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=a7ad32588088d94cf6d66af19851b22e&tab=core&_cview=0 > > ​ . > > Maybe you just need a couple of drones instead of a massove amount of > wire. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > --------------080005010803020901000902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Rik,

Hmm, the subject should rather be "A mechanical based transmitter". That could be a funny game indeed, also the principle of distorting the signal with a saturating coil and then extracting harmonics...

The antenna is available, i just need to apply the low voltage to the RG58 cable in the shack. And 2970 Hz is not much. My overall antenna losses are, 680 Ohm coil loss, about 200 Ohm ground loss, some losses in the ferrite transformer and not to forget the 70 uOhm radiation resistance, so let's say roughly 1 kOhm. For 0.1 A i just need 10 W and this is managable. It is also possible to control the speed of a motor/generator into a PLL. Even PSK is possible...

Someone could do local tests in the lower ULF range. I will be there in some time too...

73, Stefan



Am 21.12.2016 12:47, schrieb Rik Strobbe:

Hi Stefan,


ever heard of a "A MEchanical Based Antenna" ?

Me neither until today ;-)

Have a look at https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=a7ad32588088d94cf6d66af19851b22e&tab=core&_cview=0​ .

Maybe you just need a couple of drones instead of a massove amount of wire.


73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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