Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u1) with ESMTP id uBQIspKk021009 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:54:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1cLaMq-0003GV-IY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:51:28 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1cLaMq-0003GM-2K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:51:28 +0000 Received: from rgout0401.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.214] helo=rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cLaMn-0005Gc-I4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:51:26 +0000 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.140.22.31 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=8/50,refid=2.7.2:2016.12.19.90316:17:8.707,ip=,rules=NO_URI_FOUND, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND, NO_MESSAGE_ID, TO_MALFORMED, NO_URI_HTTPS Received: from gnat (86.140.22.31) by rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.13-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 58482DA201A8E46C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:51:24 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1482778285; bh=+SwhPttrQj0kC/new3BYfy3jYEnHyqXAhzFTMdHQBlg=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=h3G4qgEtUppZbD/gkfIMa1IHjp+pSesrYQGgUD3cVsYQF6kUHoXuF0+aOf/io/+1EgIiX1r8RY0ZglqYp3NrElWl1WJne8BtgJSmFQxz65h2SwiFlY0NOwtV3NNcWHJ24etxvYGte3m2hs3ITRa/xgo0WJLe2un7x8H+PEw6KSw= Message-ID: <1DEA654CBAFB45B996F94EA1D2F8C8F0@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <5860C842.90809@abelian.org> <50D999B1045A4675874D265DAC4457A6@gnat> <58615E97.20703@abelian.org> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:47:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Article on forward error correction Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9962 Hi Paul, I'm no "expert" :-)) I have a sort of "executive level" understanding of some of the terms picked but by playing with digits (well, RTTY onwards) since 1970, my maths is well beyond it sell-by date so an exposition like that is very useful, though I do have a "feeling" for convolution and correlation, probability and FFTs.etc. I do note that Andy (the datacomms columnist for Radcom) has posted the link to the RSGBtech forum/yahoo group. Thanks again Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Nicholson" To: Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 6:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Article on forward error correction > > Thanks for the generous words and I'm relieved that none > of the resident experts have spotted any ghastly errors. > > I hope I've dispelled some of the mystery but retained all > the magic. It remains no less fascinating to see a message > decode from deep under the noise, perhaps more so when > knowing how it works. > > Alan wrote: > > > It probably deserves wider circulation > > I haven't posted it anywhere else, please share the link if > you think others will benefit. This mailing list is my only > contact with amateur radio - I'm not sure where else to post. > > Added links to the random codebooks I've been using. For those > who enjoy programming, it's fun and quite easy to make up a > simple program to simulate the baseband comms. > > (I did that myself a couple of years ago - a little program to > help me learn about FEC... it evolved into EbNaut). > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- >