Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2MVw89026100 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:31:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c241Z-0004Aa-AQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:28:49 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c241X-0004AR-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:28:47 +0000 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c241T-0002Pl-Aw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:28:46 +0000 Received: from Clemens0811 ([79.208.138.60]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lxxw4-1cyPqG2YMe-015KHc for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 23:28:41 +0100 From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <158269908ce.marcocadeddu@tin.it> <3AE1A816B0CB402AB1E75C3CEF20FC47@StevePC> In-Reply-To: <3AE1A816B0CB402AB1E75C3CEF20FC47@StevePC> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:28:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdI1UWuKO/mDTInYQd622Jkoff85VwABRz3g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:osqzQVP4SSPvLY1hqJ16We62rXgEf7+e8+jrSQ6AuRwvOcqhbaB Ggu9WyuYFgw9/aE+x+SRz87lEi1WbHgfh5Y44UCMgp4d9nm0ZBRM6rPG7sXE17rf/BdOpOG v68mpBmbx+72EBnXiq3TVD/C7K10TRNBQD3/Xstd6N6731tbodyu8Wu9QpvH4LEvlrxJ9u1 ip0W5INh4UfiAvpZgrejg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Fx39JyV5oGQ=:u/apvp/SRJmCqvtG2j7BTo +r7IuVARd2wLamu/NAJa4zCBII0RG0YmIbs/FUaqwCNKLGowllXZ+rv7JO0cfU/ydfCmOMT0N vYnalaNJmMTnfXORRKbZmT6dZJqTD6izshqiq8TMXbx8qqom5EXU57H+SBEne/SJpD0vTJJjl BwiR4YvKkmeXs96bGmeXq41CLhUI2tUfE4DK4UJUll/p7s55p99WNJkIPPT403XV9i7fzek6x 6YKdOhmPi/CB3JP45TFcLGdoc9UVB858U9GDblzVyzmIx5f8lS+aPmMqpRJfh035gbpWjniAg wc+hkyYt4hrsu9QEPARlo3WC8he/cmmh6r+AVW61m+v4mfjbnJdXXvUl2sQ1hzUA7/CY5wfTj CqAqLnGMBkX1TqEBKXI9krrX9xCcLiRwOSiA+Kn5efJH3i9JGVZ+rGnzSCY+vQNWxUMM6+P24 47I3omSTEQANeP3yvvw9M4PgoYbqZ6On5afpzOTL3ql5OhRfOaEAGQ/s7YfFLSmYmTwKpApVV cbACWXUtxcWWcjx1N94lPfzvQTTrehQY6cDx6nnqp0sZGfdl0AkTi5Xn78+txLbn9lRB+zAjb LkLTdZ63GHFszuG2NcYET8zTzGxIatvB5BHuARvI0Q8QchqrMGR63MbmYcIWJ/vIqC9Zt6GhQ DGkctKk6Pp4asxNcTK+yqEM3mpktFibDARlnFW4FQZPulXf7B0eMA62Sj/68yoaGve7IXl69C AUAsbzEVrVdzG1KAjtn/LF7d3zpZTkkPHO/DfLuTwH+Sk2y9pOPx4VNmAxB9kCb9wu8bHdkXg gjAEbZB X-Scan-Signature: e4d79cc1e5beb0f7c63f6aa3ce129e10 Subject: RE: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 3075 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9362 Hi Steve, if you prefer a reliable and accurate inline meter there is a ready to use solution but you have to spend some money. It's the digital vector wattmeter LP100A. http://www.telepostinc.com/ You have to buy an extra coupler for LF/MW which covers 100kHz to 20MHz and is capable to take up to 1kW continous power (conservatively rated) maximum. (This may be even too low for some LW/MW operators...) I'm using one myself and I'm very satisfied. You can also use the directional coupler head alone as line sampler for use with e.g. a spectrum analyzer or scope. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve >Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 10:37 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR Bridges > >Tnx Pete and Marco...yes, I agree that using an RF ammeter to >set impedance >match, once resonant, is a simple way for those that are without a >scopematch. For most LF/MFers however, it is only a matter of >time before >they construct the scopematch! > >Steve 73 > > > >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> wish to add just one comment sharing with you my experience. >> For routine tests or measures on antennas since almost a dozen of >> years use an home made VNA (I realized the N2PK VNA and still works >> fine!) this make available visual and numerical datas which very >> important to understand what I'm doing. As everybody, of >course, I like >> to have an instrument in line while transmitting just to see is >> everything is "normal" and under control. For this purpose I made a >> small console which includes the low pass filter, an RF >ammeter and an >> SWR bridge is very easy to design and make yourself such instrument I >> made mine covering from 137kHz to 160m and I guess it is reliable at >> least as all "in line" meters. >> >> 73 de Marco IK1HSS >> >> >> ----Messaggio originale---- >> Da: VE7SL@shaw.ca >> Data: 2-nov-2016 19.12 >> A: >> Ogg: LF: Re: SWR Bridges >> >> Many thanks to all of those taking the time to reply to my >inquiry. It >> seems >> that results vary depending upon what meter is being used >but it sounds >> as >> though only a few are having reliable / accurate results. I normally >> use the >> scope match and call it the 'most valuable piece of gear in my shack' >> but >> was curious about suggesting the use of an HF SWR bridge for >those that >> do >> not yet have such a thing, and if it would be a reliable method of >> matching >> an antenna. In some cases 'yes', but it seems, in most cases, may be >> unreliable and only lead to confusion. >> >> >> Steve 73 >> >> >> >> WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl >> VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to >> Nanowaves": >> http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl > >VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m >to Nanowaves": >http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ > >