Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA4D6GXS032142 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 14:06:16 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2e6b-0000lz-Ml for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:00:25 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2e6a-0000lq-T8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:00:24 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2e6X-0004p7-Ln for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:00:23 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDD17209C5 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 14:00:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t9MPs0vBdz106c for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 14:00:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 14:00:16 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1655 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9393 Hi Paul, Am 04.11.2016 07:52, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/161102b.gif A few more thoughts: -The error density is not really higher during times of higher noise. So the SNR may be as good as in daylight? Time for a night-transmission test! -There are short periods in which the error density is very high, it's RED!! Probably this is the Terminator (II) which passes to that time between our path and that misterious 46 km band? How many terminators are there? And when do they pass? - I find it interesting to focus on errors rather than on the actual signal :-) They also contain relevant information to study the band over our path. > Difference between success and failure is only a few bits, eg > > Eb/N0 = +1.7 dB bit error rate = 501/1312 Virtually certain decode > Eb/N0 = -0.2 dB bit error rate = 531/1312 ~95% chance > Eb/N0 = -0.5 dB bit error rate = 535/1312 ~80% chance > Eb/N0 = -1.0 dB bit error rate = 541/1312 ~50% chance > Eb/N0 = -1.7 dB bit error rate = 551/1312 Almost no chance Very interesting. It helps to better understand what a successful decode depends on. > Still working on 2016-11-03 06:00 16K25A S30 C11, so far no decode > but a couple of settings remain to try. Good luck for us! It's a bit a pity that the phase varies so much between day and night. I would have fun to try a message with 1000 second symbols and 20 characters. Even if they take 2 weeks, no problem! Ah, and another thing: Did you ever see a frequency offset or (relevant) time offset on my transmissions. If so, it would be useful to get a feedback. 73, Stefan > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- >