Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2KeoIa025785 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:40:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c22I2-0003gW-Aw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:37:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c22I2-0003gN-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:37:42 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c22Hy-0001pb-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:37:40 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DAA7209BD for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:37:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t8KfT4lbJzytl for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:37:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581A4E91.8080908@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:37:37 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000708070907030405050507" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 2881 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9358 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000708070907030405050507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, OK, very well! Now, let's try: *f = 6470.00000 Hz Start time: 03.11.2016 06:00:00 UTC Symbol length: 30 s Characters: 11 CRC 16 Coding 16K25A Duration: 14h, 08m, 0s* *Antenna current: ~ 280 mA * 73, Stefan Am 02.11.2016 21:25, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Even more aggressive sferic blanking raises > the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2% > S/N 16.10 dB in 25.4 uHz. > > Using around 50% of the channel capacity. > > The carrier S/N is about 1.6 dB weaker than > expected for that Eb/N0. > > > Would you think a 11 character message will decode? > > Yes, with the same signal and noise, it would decode > at about +0.8 dB... if the terminator doesn't mess > things up. > > > Can you provide a bit error image (you know what i mean) > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/161102a.gif > > There are 1312 transmitted symbols, 30 seconds each. > Each red line indicates a symbol received in error, there > are 502 of these. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > --------------000708070907030405050507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Paul,

OK, very well!
Now, let's try:

f = 6470.00000 Hz
Start time: 03.11.2016   06:00:00 UTC
Symbol length: 30 s
Characters: 11
CRC 16
Coding 16K25A
Duration: 14h, 08m, 0s

Antenna current: ~ 280 mA

73, Stefan




Am 02.11.2016 21:25, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

Even more aggressive sferic blanking raises
the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2%
S/N 16.10 dB in 25.4 uHz.

Using around 50% of the channel capacity.

The carrier S/N is about 1.6 dB weaker than
expected for that Eb/N0.

> Would you think a 11 character message will decode?

Yes, with the same signal and noise, it would decode
at about +0.8 dB... if the terminator doesn't mess
things up.

> Can you provide a bit error image (you know what i mean)

 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/161102a.gif

There are 1312 transmitted symbols, 30 seconds each.
Each red line indicates a symbol received in error, there
are 502 of these.

--
Paul Nicholson
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