Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u9NH7E6K006575 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 19:07:15 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1byMBX-0000Ar-49 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:03:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.34] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1byMBW-0000Ai-PS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:03:46 +0100 Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1byMBS-00066I-QJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:03:45 +0100 Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id b80so65936233wme.1 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 10:03:42 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=eL4Vk5BF6T148Re5d0mEM75YRDxYYxT5bE2xH0pPalY=; b=FeM5X/Ek3YKXuR6jYInqHP8M4E3u/7f9k+SiyKuU7MDjPO6tTMaQz9Sh8TpLb/G5dj wRkD1yxteewgvfpD12jGB6SeBi7zZzAwFt9OlGjnkBdH3U7NGwPgZiXsgYCmIkPROSnz xQgbPM9N0GnklgdOXO9q/P3F1hkSE06gcWzdMJx00HSGHULLtlnFLQU++hnOzepdOaFE vb0HCWEdoEH9wtD5TZUCbkgHo8hAnB/zLdRVOr7LIBUikqhBWAnGnLhB4H/9lrlAuwm1 fwNHr07xUM/9jigO6tdITqCaRD6RbTNO1ekOf/4/GbKumOnCMiJM8DDOzAtyTepN5pfP 7YtA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=eL4Vk5BF6T148Re5d0mEM75YRDxYYxT5bE2xH0pPalY=; b=U/P5oK4ZlQEvP/iDR/1PoV3hy3PCooxgHIbPec0PcDOt0tK5UfFgA8HWOO5/bSxWEm lrf/2sAbENE4DvBAlt5RtCggKxjXc/n0It5/4S4dzKIZQ6HnCBLfXIgH+bM1ylrIBDww e021YYvcD5CrKS5Yn9q8fWWtpb8sn3qKbyId5GTMOl+pXB9mmPlMxxLp8x69VMMEnCh/ H9zNv4aDUJaG/fXTje+xMb/1ZW+yfmZiBjHgmZDXmR2Jn5/1Q7dOHSXECU74BbjONKD7 XsFogroHxKOzC7QeM1I2SxuOu+FX7vSeQ2mO2InuJk3G8CL7e+6VZwF34bDwaAofLjUU Emmg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdbTXIfK2PW36vgMgs8s0KqThNQHFlmHjX1GH8hsmvrzV9nNf28eGz/MXMY4NJ5km5hHh8JGSr5kVFNBg== X-Received: by 10.194.240.129 with SMTP id wa1mr8089084wjc.116.1477242221499; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 10:03:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.209.74 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 10:03:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <580CEA96.2010200@posteo.de> References: <157b3bf43d2-111e-bfa3@webprd-a11.mail.aol.com> <0f1b59cf-e10d-1daf-125b-ad4aca471a06@gmail.com> <580205DC.80508@posteo.de> <58020BE2.1020107@posteo.de> <289454467.20161015210855@chriswilson.tv> <5808C23D.6060006@posteo.de> <580CE812.40500@posteo.de> <580CEA96.2010200@posteo.de> From: Andy Talbot Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:03:40 +0100 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: ad8e5dd63f7497fd9d71d15044db2e2b Subject: Re: LF: Idiot's guide to receiving Ebnaut? - Tutorial part2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d1db2dc1ddc053f8b4169 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 4285 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9155 --089e013d1db2dc1ddc053f8b4169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This may not be the most helpful answer, but here are details of a high stability locked LF receiver and associated software I made for compatibility with receiving EBnaut transmisisons last year. It ignores the soundcard completely, and instead has an external digitiser on a receiver, all locked to an external Rb or Cs reference. http://www.g4jnt.com/Coherent_LF_Receiver.pdf Andy G4JNT On 23 October 2016 at 17:51, DK7FC wrote: > Hi all, > > I started to write the second part of this tutorial but when finished i > was not happy with the result. > > The first thing one can say is that you will need a very frequency stable > receiver. There is no chance without an external reference signal. For > generating wav files using SpecLab you will also have to use a ref signal > to compensate the drift of your soundcard. Some people have already > prepared things in the past. You can use a 1 PPS signal for soundcard drift > compensation or a down divided 10 MHz GPS reference or a stereo soundcard > receiving VLF MSK signals on the other channel to compensate the drift. > Also the SpecLab configuration depends on your receiver type. > Now i could simply make some assumptions what your equipment may be but > this may be not a good way. > So now i think it's better that we start with one example, one (or more) > of the stations who are interested in EbNaut decodes on LF should describe > the available system components. Then we can work it out > what must be done. > We will need to have a stable RX frequency and a drift compensated > soundcard frequency in the end. > > So who of those who are interested wants to start? > > 73, Stefan > --089e013d1db2dc1ddc053f8b4169 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This may not be the most helpful answer, bu= t here are details of a high stability locked LF receiver and associated so= ftware I made for compatibility with receiving EBnaut transmisisons last ye= ar. =C2=A0 It ignores the soundcard completely, and instead has an external= digitiser on a receiver, all locked to an external Rb or Cs reference.

Andy =C2=A0G4JNT


On 23 October 2016 at 17:51, DK7FC <selberdenk= en@posteo.de> wrote:
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Hi all,

I started to write the second part of this tutorial but when finished i was not happy with the result.

The first thing one can say is that you will need a very frequency stable receiver. There is no chance without an external reference signal. For generating wav files using SpecLab you will also have to use a ref signal to compensate the drift of your soundcard. Some people have already prepared things in the past. You can use a 1 PPS signal for soundcard drift compensation or a down divided 10 MHz GPS reference or a stereo soundcard receiving VLF MSK signals on the other channel to compensate the drift.
Also the SpecLab configuration depends on your receiver type.
Now i could simply make some assumptions what your equipment may be but this may be not a good way.
So now i think it's better that we start with one example, one (or more) of the stations who are interested in EbNaut decodes on LF should describe the available system components. Then we can work it out what must be done.
We will need to have a stable RX frequency and a drift compensated soundcard frequency in the end.

So who of those who are interested wants to start?

73, Stefan

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