Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u9OJlBsQ010674 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 21:47:11 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1byl9i-0001gs-UQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:43:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.34] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1byl9i-0001gj-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:43:34 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:35]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1byl9e-0005Dk-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:43:33 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id yl4TbEm278GkCyl7AbXkhg; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 19:40:56 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1477338056; bh=slq1LeNTE6BHTMupRswYBzzefRf4qn1925AQSFNyGaA=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=mnrRij5MSZ2UfUsvwHUSEhnGuOUxd8E+CMEzyNsmoMKlcpJL2000WBPRVvuzypeKt SV5AWqgDborxPzS1gzItBHmbFJHLDPKQeQYYO6d16pNypeZxAXLR0GocXb07/0RUA1 JIKTCxJ/u5zRcIRZbT+/2nz7ur52URdTQA5ijNnBP9RYBpLQFspopZUxKtQo1rIKm6 1cpR8V2MlDE6GfdNJI4IHiIBJk40FLgw54XDkBQag1dg+Tv9tgGJ4pcM+vJ395mFmQ QXPni/a39bSjcxrU/gWQaxOa8NI7jNZIoC2aXRNowsxc3i2uf2+kRIOUetiOVu0sFP dPqBpOysGZo2g== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:141:0:bec5:6467:f658:2cc0:b54a]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id yl79byOyp30PRyl79be7IM; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 19:40:56 +0000 From: To: References: <157b3bf43d2-111e-bfa3@webprd-a11.mail.aol.com> <0f1b59cf-e10d-1daf-125b-ad4aca471a06@gmail.com> <580205DC.80508@posteo.de> <58020BE2.1020107@posteo.de> <289454467.20161015210855@chriswilson.tv> <5808C23D.6060006@posteo.de> <580CE812.40500@posteo.de> <580CEA96.2010200@posteo.de> <4e343fa907bf9f2652ce9f25fe56d62a@smtp.hushmail.com> <580E12A9.9070309@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <580E12A9.9070309@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 15:40:46 -0400 Message-ID: <026a01d22e2e$883c9250$98b5b6f0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJCSQmwcJoZm+Ii8X/BmppHMnOUmAHsj2/hAkiqmgQCLxBjugHjxA+qAXWKgw0CI6nTQwK0pTGuAkcejkwBku9cHQHNc5+YnzXAF5A= Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfEds79j6Kn2Ez9Lr4GIhWWr5IhYsIYtHtsJ0RboE5luegcYCzTlS5J9G6JEe8P/SL+x8mUz05MURgnGiJ5L4L/M8YLpU06TMXGs1HSlYnkwhdTu6HERz wuPWOcZgETBmKEc9pbDmLGDp69HL3O5gk6A= X-Scan-Signature: 5fc8987c5011a8849fb47b0998281191 Subject: RE: LF: Idiot's guide to receiving Ebnaut? - Tutorial part2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_026B_01D22E0D.012AF250" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 14500 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9195 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_026B_01D22E0D.012AF250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Stefan, I have a question that is a digression from Tony's question but perhaps related: Bill (WB6BNQ), Graham and Wolf (on March 3, 2014) suggested (thanks!) the following to make the narrow 1pps pulse from my Trimble (Thunderbolt E) GPSDO] compatible with an external USB sound card: A pulse stretcher based on either a modern version of 74123, such as a 74HC123, or a stretcher made from half of a 74HC74 Dual D flip-flop [resistor from not-Q to not-R; parallel speedup diode (anode to not-Q), and capacitor from not-R to ground], to stretch the 1pps pulse to well over 10us (at least a few milliseconds) I am preparing to interface two more Trimble Thunderbolt E GPSDOs to an external USB sound card for SpecLab , for a VLF loop-TX test this year (60 meter horizontal square loop with 6 kW PA power; low ERP but GPS disciplined so maybe some interesting signals); and I wonder if the above solutions (one-shot or flip-flop) for interfacing the narrow Trimble 1pps signal to an external USB sound card for SpecLab remain the recommended approach. Do you have any thoughts on this? Thank you, and apologies if this obfuscates Tony's thread. 73, Jim AA5BW From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DK7FC Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:55 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Idiot's guide to receiving Ebnaut? - Tutorial part2 Hi Tony, OK so if your RX and PC time is stable, we can give it a try. -You need a stereo input soundcard and feed the PPS signal to the right channel. Just run it at 48 kS/s. The PPS signal must be DC decoupled and the level must be limited to 80% of the ADC range, simply use 100nF and a resistive divider. The values will depend on your GPS module and its output level. -Download the latest version of SpecLab and install it to the recommended folder. -Turn the RX to 136.00000 kHz USB and use a 2.5 kHz wide SSB filter. Connect the RX to the left channel of the soundcard input. -Download the usr file in this mail and open it into SpecLab (File -> Load settings from...) -Click on Components -> Show Components. A box opens. In the top left corner, click on "SR cal". Another box opens. The Status must be green, showing pps peaks OK. If the level is to high, click on "scope" and see the peak form. Then you need to adjust the divider of your GPS module to reduce or increase the PPS level. The box must be green for most of the time in the end. Click to scope again, there is a pulse counter PC and an error counter EC. The error should be lower than 2 % or so, for example PC=1000 EC=16. Just let it run a few hours and see if the tracking is stable. If you have problems in this step, tell us what the problem is. -Wait a few hours and check if text files appear at C:\Spectrum\data After the first 40 minutes, a file should appear each 10 minutes. -Ask someone to transmit a short EbNaut message at 1s symbols and make sure to record on this time. So far. Then we can continue with part 3 :-) 73, Stefan Am 23.10.2016 19:09, schrieb Tony Baldwin: Hi Stefan My receiver is an Elad FDM-DUO SDR with a 10 MHz GPS input. Unfortunately SpecLab doesn't have that radio for an SDR input, so I have to use the sound input via USB. I could send the 1 PPS to my computer via RS 232 as well if that helps. 73, Tony, EI8JK. On 23/10/2016 17:51, DK7FC wrote: Hi all, I started to write the second part of this tutorial but when finished i was not happy with the result. The first thing one can say is that you will need a very frequency stable receiver. There is no chance without an external reference signal. For generating wav files using SpecLab you will also have to use a ref signal to compensate the drift of your soundcard. Some people have already prepared things in the past. You can use a 1 PPS signal for soundcard drift compensation or a down divided 10 MHz GPS reference or a stereo soundcard receiving VLF MSK signals on the other channel to compensate the drift. Also the SpecLab configuration depends on your receiver type. Now i could simply make some assumptions what your equipment may be but this may be not a good way. So now i think it's better that we start with one example, one (or more) of the stations who are interested in EbNaut decodes on LF should describe the available system components. Then we can work it out what must be done. We will need to have a stable RX frequency and a drift compensated soundcard frequency in the end. So who of those who are interested wants to start? 73, Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_026B_01D22E0D.012AF250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Stefan,

 

I have a question that is a digression from Tony’s question but = perhaps related:

 

Bill (WB6BNQ), Graham and Wolf (on March 3, 2014) suggested (thanks!) = the following to make the narrow 1pps pulse from my Trimble (Thunderbolt = E) GPSDO] compatible with an external USB sound card: =

 

A pulse stretcher based on either a modern version of 74123, such as = a 74HC123, or a stretcher made from half of a 74HC74 Dual D flip-flop = [resistor from not-Q to not-R; parallel speedup diode (anode to not-Q), = and capacitor from not-R to ground], to stretch the 1pps pulse to well = over 10us (at least a few milliseconds)

 

I am preparing to interface two more Trimble Thunderbolt E GPSDOs to = an external USB sound card for SpecLab , for a VLF loop-TX test this = year (60 meter horizontal square loop with 6 kW PA power; low ERP but = GPS disciplined so maybe some interesting signals); and I wonder if the = above solutions (one-shot or flip-flop) for interfacing the narrow = Trimble 1pps signal to an external USB sound card for SpecLab remain the = recommended approach. Do you have any thoughts on = this?

 

Thank you, and apologies if this obfuscates Tony’s = thread.

 

73,

 

Jim AA5BW    

 

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of = DK7FC
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:55 AM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Idiot's guide to = receiving Ebnaut? - Tutorial part2

 

Hi Tony, =

OK so if your RX and PC time is stable, we can give it a try. =
-You need a stereo input soundcard and feed the PPS signal to the = right channel. Just run it at 48 kS/s. The PPS signal must be DC = decoupled and the level must be limited to 80% of the ADC range, simply = use 100nF and a resistive divider. The values will depend on your GPS = module and its output level.
-Download the latest version of SpecLab = and install it to the recommended folder.
-Turn the RX to 136.00000 = kHz USB and use a 2.5 kHz wide SSB filter. Connect the RX to the left = channel of the soundcard input.
-Download the usr file in this mail = and open it into SpecLab (File -> Load settings from...)
-Click on = Components -> Show Components. A box opens. In the top left corner, = click on "SR cal". Another box opens. The Status must be = green, showing pps peaks OK. If the level is to high, click on = "scope" and see the peak form. Then you need to adjust the = divider of your GPS module to reduce or increase the PPS level. The box = must be green for most of the time in the end. Click to scope again, = there is a pulse counter PC and an error counter EC. The error should be = lower than 2 % or so, for example PC=3D1000 EC=3D16. Just let it run a = few hours and see if the tracking is stable.
If you have problems in = this step, tell us what the problem is.
-Wait a few hours and check = if text files appear at C:\Spectrum\data After the first 40 minutes, a = file should appear each 10 minutes.
-Ask someone to transmit a short = EbNaut message at 1s symbols and make sure to record on this = time.

So far. Then we can continue with part 3 :-)

73, = Stefan


Am 23.10.2016 19:09, schrieb Tony Baldwin: =

Hi = Stefan
 
My receiver is an Elad FDM-DUO SDR with a 10 MHz GPS = input.
Unfortunately SpecLab doesn't have that radio for an SDR = input, so I have to use the sound input via USB.
I could send the 1 = PPS to my computer via RS 232 as well if that helps.

73, Tony, = EI8JK.

On 23/10/2016 = 17:51, DK7FC wrote:

Hi = all,

I started to write the second part of this tutorial but = when finished i was not happy with the result.

The first thing = one can say is that you will need a very frequency stable receiver. = There is no chance without an external reference signal. For generating = wav files using SpecLab you will also have to use a ref signal to = compensate the drift of your soundcard. Some people have already = prepared things in the past. You can use a 1 PPS signal for soundcard = drift compensation or a down divided 10 MHz GPS reference or a stereo = soundcard receiving VLF MSK signals on the other channel to compensate = the drift.
Also the SpecLab configuration depends on your receiver = type.
Now i could simply make some assumptions what your equipment = may be but this may be not a good way.
So now i think it's better = that we start with one example, one (or more) of the stations who are = interested in EbNaut decodes on LF should describe the available system = components. Then we can work it = out what must be done.
We will need to have a stable RX frequency = and a drift compensated soundcard frequency in the end.

So who of = those who are interested wants to start?

73, = Stefan

 

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