Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u6DFxkgJ002195 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:59:46 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1bNMU2-0002Q2-Fk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:53:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1bNMU1-0002Pt-Ro for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:53:57 +0100 Received: from nm28-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.97.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bNMTz-0001eX-Au for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:53:56 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s2048; t=1468425234; bh=t//OKPir3oJWfGrxEHkHcfcfw0JNs9FfF1zEEVGcuD0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=FFw6oNE3EnmcbqLARusQ2C0xWQkOOGtuD42GkHhIKi+3YHIxX1tv+W2ivHnPcST3PP3rL7s3WVrMLGkq8azJvdcp8UU/CoPD4IFILT4nUHTYJ0G9lwy+H/y4FWQ2rbRuX/+lKY5Atwc6EL+IcjP6NrWn42GFVOMU39VvKxJ8eBn+mydv1N5q5cRUDRnquv7hTlukFFW0hqBZ2sKLLaZWm4LkHp59cYC9Vvz1oFqBEYrtcxVdgk1cR1adP279ymq2B5wGhCdpI75/pdl+umFJuZQUe/BfJTueZgqU8Fltz9wk6O28A7wirSwD4XDRTU/paMEkDuZLWmHm8w++fIaG9A== Received: from [212.82.98.49] by nm28.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2016 15:53:54 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.69] by tm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2016 15:53:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2016 15:53:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 351109.56719.bm@omp1006.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: IbGPYKAVM1k77TGXkRHnBMPtkLsUcrCfSU7kJwtwFRKyJH6GXl3.BPAuL84cNaN 7YTrrs_d8JL3V3yk0wSbiTuShoEkU6yohJr.5mvc_Cml3OVrVwIGg6JwJU0jkVi86JGDlGZUmlmi hX6c3II01OpX.Y5NOT0fQPCYg3itvQSIs5H.8FPhEoGucHT.CCnzDjqN2cU9GvOybyM0psgsypSD 9DaBGU9HpqFRhXDfaX_Bmc24ECMAC8Gmf8aKoZMNZ447d2lWiOFpEsRAYTF1fM43SjwgbtlgWotN xGt5C8LFcE5zaqHTUigsbWRj4UFWBxdEFGpdYP1WLSVQUVRRGEim1MYNhNVscbKQkKfxX9wu.kom kKE8HFV55xmssD9tsMngckuS0hHuGMWkzMp8S4CIB601hdj1Hw3BPvpf6WNgp661adY8PBcFVVVS vvJxoAwTigQtG42ThuY6voSudC1hodyeGUK7Wfe2iqf9dY9AEiQDgs.xf.ofKaTAyr1IY_zHWdVs GyMwg1xsCZCIaxQZc_8em8w-- Received: from jws11150.mail.ir2.yahoo.com by sendmailws109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:53:53 +0000; 1468425233.768 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:53:53 +0000 (UTC) From: M0FMT To: Message-ID: <32427190.4001451.1468425233356.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <32427190.4001451.1468425233356.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Scan-Signature: 40cd937fc1c5e6338b07d288cd09d087 Subject: Re: LF: AW: SAQ statistics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id u6DFxkgJ002195 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8368 Hi Richard and Ha-Jo First off I am not receiving my own mails to the RSGB Blacksheep reflector? So it was a surprise to see your interesting replies . Well Ha-Jo to have such a unique and interesting design rejected says something about the GQRP. However in their defence my first off air copy of SAQ was using a design out of Sprat magazine. It was a single transistor self oscillating mixer using a 3mHz xtal and an unturned antenna input. The output IF was into my TS690s TRX at about 3.0172mHz. I still have that unit. The SAQ transmission for me operates on so many different levels. It is link to the origins of radio science. It demonstrates that there is no boundary between the technologies, it’s all physics. The machine itself is a grand demonstration of magnetic reluctance in operation. Not a valve/tube or transistor in sight but producing a pure CW single frequency tone, unlike spark. I have noticed the DL interest in reporting SAQ for some time and have never understood why it is not so popular in G land. It can be heard using a PC with soundcard so it’s not as though there are any serious technical hurdles to jump. Maybe the RSGB need to make an effort to publicise the transmissions to boost listener numbers in the UK. I am as much to blame since I have not reported for some also. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT GQRP#15097.in IO91UX -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 13/7/16, Richard S wrote: Subject: Re: LF: AW: SAQ statistics To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 13 July, 2016, 15:23 Hans, it would  be great if you could publish details of your receive and antenna on the web, or put a short film on you tube of your 17khz loop 73richard SO5GB 13 lip 2016 14:20 "Hans Joachim Brandt" napisał(a): Dear Pete, I guess I am the culprit why so many Germans are able to receive SAQ (the maximum number of SAQ receptions in Germany had even been 186 a few years ago): I have started to receive SAQ in 1997, being a retired OM living in a small village in eastern Bavaria. At first I have built a converter for SAQ to receive its frequency in a radio amateur band. But then a neighbor two houses away has installed a photovoltaic system on its house, and the operation of this system increased the qrm level so much that I could not receive SAQ any longer under these conditions. Then I had the idea to build a portable receiver especially for SAQ, powered by a 9 V battery and a maximum current of 25 mA, depending on the audio power needed for the headphones. I even found out that I just had to divide the frequency of the well known clock crystal 32768 Hz by two to get a tone frequency of 816 Hz for the reception of SAQ. This receiver has been published in the german radio amateur perodical CQ DL May 2013. Six months later the number of german radio amateurs sending repots to SAQ has increased considerably. Still being a german member of the british G-QRP-Club I have also written an English version of this SAQ receiver, but it had been rejected because of "not being QRP". Just this year, on 13. April 2016, I have sent another English text about this receiver by email to Radcom. But until now I have not received any answer so far if Radcom would accept this text or not. MY SAQ receiver is based on the fact that outside of residential areas the QRM in the VLF range is rather low. The antenna used is a tuned loop for 17.2 kHz. The loop is also able to separate vertically polarised  radio waves from horizontal polarized waves. Even in the area where I usually receive SAQ there is a street and a telecom tower, and when I am turning my loop into a horizontal position a singing noise can be heard. But in the vertical position I have no problems to give a rapport of RST 589 for SAQ. HW? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von M0FMT Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Juli 2016 12:03 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: SAQ statistics Hi All Why is there such a high number of DLs receiving SAQ at 116 ?  Very well done! G putting in a measly 19 rprts. I further away but putting in 26 rprts. Well done PA also in there with 24 rprts. I blame the rsgb. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT GQRP#15097.in IO91UX .