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Hi Luis,

Thanks for your nice words and your idea.
Ignition coils, well, they may handle the voltage but i think the 
winding will become to warm at 30 mA 24/7. But the main problem would be 
that i need a certain inductance because it is a resonated circuit. So i 
need an adjustable air gap into the ferrite material, like i have in my 
arrangement. Also, the ignition coil may generate (and temporary hold) 
20 kV but i don't assume that it can generate that voltage at 2.97 kHz 
but just on higher frequencies. It is the same with the old TV 
transformers (LOPT). They may generate 3 kV but not at 2.97 kHz. There, 
they would saturate. Of course i already checked that a long time ago :-)

I hope you will find the time to come back to LF and below soon. Don't 
stress, it's summer and there's a LOT of QRN these days...

73, Stefan


Am 24.06.2016 09:56, schrieb VIGILANT Luis Fernández:
> Hi xLF !
>
> Once again my best and sincere congratulations Stefan
>
> We are behind you following the path you are clearing into the QRN forest....... but "miles" away
> were the way is still paved  ;-)
>
> When reading about your UFL transformer I thought about the ignition coils used in cars
> Absolutely no idea if this can be a choice to get some more current at 3KHz
> But they are ready available and probably there are some big models out there
>
> My progress to LF is halted at the moment. Have many other projects going on in other bands
>
> Too many bands, too many modes, too short time. This is an amazingly multidisciplinar hobby
>
> Keep us amazed with your achievements
>
> 73 de Luis
> EA5DOM
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] En nombre de DK7FC
> Enviado el: jueves, 23 de junio de 2016 14:03
> Para: Renato Romero
> CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Asunto: LF: Re: Cumiana OOS
>
> BTW, i am now preparing for first tests on ULF, the range between 0.3 ... 3 kHz. Tests on 2970 Hz have started. This is a completely new league. 2970 Hz is almost 100x 'harder' than 8270 Hz. It is not easy to generate a high voltage on my wire on that frequency. Transformers saturate and i need 6.1 H of inductance! As a first step i am using a large ferrite transformer with 2 E cores and a coil body. I have wounnd 3000 turns on it by hand! :-) The ferrite material is N27 and it can handle 1V / turn at 2970 Hz without a problem. I took 0.22 mm diameter wire. 15+ layers and each one is isolated by Kapton insulation tape, like the old TV transformers :-) See https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/ULF%20loading%20coil%206.1H.jpg
> and
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/6.1H%20ULF%20loading%20coil.jpg
> I can run just 3 kV, not more. Otherwise the 'transformer' which is just a coil in fact, is risked to flash over.
> At 3 kV my ERP is about 100 nW!
> So far i managed 3.5 km to my own remote grabber, you still can see the last races at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html.
> You still can see last traces from a previous 2 kV test there. The SNR was 25 dB in 424 uHz. But this is just a near field test... The far field starts at 16 km distance. It is a hard way to get that distance.
> But i have built a portable E field probe and stereo audio recorder with a Raspberry Pi. So i can take a walk in the forest and receive in really quiet places, far away from any electricity. My next plan i to receive my own signal in 7.9 km distance, there is a nice place :-) I have also ordered a second cheap Neo 6M GPS module for pps and NMEA signals on the other channel during the /p experiment. Then this will be a ideal portable monitoring system for post processing with absolute time stamps and even location informations are stored.
> We will see. I'll come back to you when i think there could be a chance to see a trace on 2970 Hz, maybe in a 1 uHz BW :-) The QRN is MUCH lower there, relative to 8.27 or 6.47 kHz! Maybe this is an advantage that we underestimate now! But the man made noise can be more problematic there, you know. So it is good for people who like to take a walk in the forest and like to install a hidden wire there to mount their portable RX to it and come back a few hours later to bring it home and post process what they got :-)
>
> 73, Stefan
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