Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u5NC8dcT023319 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:08:40 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1bG3Lz-0005Mp-3q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:03:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1bG3Ly-0005Mg-Gp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:03:26 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bG3Lu-0005ok-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:03:25 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60C3020A30 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:03:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3rb0Ts5VxKz104T; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:03:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <576BCFFD.1070208@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:03:09 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Renato Romero CC: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <572D2039.2090006@posteo.de> <58c72820-f9ae-d71b-c5eb-eb93f0a35dd3@vlf.it> <572E5785.4080500@posteo.de> <5b5198f2-0177-d5d7-bccf-4a48cd6c7d10@vlf.it> <573DCE5B.6090308@posteo.de> <4f08e43c-fea6-4921-3f41-8f53772dc23b@vlf.it> <573DD991.9030809@posteo.de> <573E562F.9080505@posteo.de> <8101829d-65fb-340a-7004-8995ab1b1cc9@vlf.it> <573EF205.8040105@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: Re: Cumiana OOS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8286 BTW, i am now preparing for first tests on ULF, the range between 0.3 ... 3 kHz. Tests on 2970 Hz have started. This is a completely new league. 2970 Hz is almost 100x 'harder' than 8270 Hz. It is not easy to generate a high voltage on my wire on that frequency. Transformers saturate and i need 6.1 H of inductance! As a first step i am using a large ferrite transformer with 2 E cores and a coil body. I have wounnd 3000 turns on it by hand! :-) The ferrite material is N27 and it can handle 1V / turn at 2970 Hz without a problem. I took 0.22 mm diameter wire. 15+ layers and each one is isolated by Kapton insulation tape, like the old TV transformers :-) See https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/ULF%20loading%20coil%206.1H.jpg and https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/6.1H%20ULF%20loading%20coil.jpg I can run just 3 kV, not more. Otherwise the 'transformer' which is just a coil in fact, is risked to flash over. At 3 kV my ERP is about 100 nW! So far i managed 3.5 km to my own remote grabber, you still can see the last races at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html. You still can see last traces from a previous 2 kV test there. The SNR was 25 dB in 424 uHz. But this is just a near field test... The far field starts at 16 km distance. It is a hard way to get that distance. But i have built a portable E field probe and stereo audio recorder with a Raspberry Pi. So i can take a walk in the forest and receive in really quiet places, far away from any electricity. My next plan i to receive my own signal in 7.9 km distance, there is a nice place :-) I have also ordered a second cheap Neo 6M GPS module for pps and NMEA signals on the other channel during the /p experiment. Then this will be a ideal portable monitoring system for post processing with absolute time stamps and even location informations are stored. We will see. I'll come back to you when i think there could be a chance to see a trace on 2970 Hz, maybe in a 1 uHz BW :-) The QRN is MUCH lower there, relative to 8.27 or 6.47 kHz! Maybe this is an advantage that we underestimate now! But the man made noise can be more problematic there, you know. So it is good for people who like to take a walk in the forest and like to install a hidden wire there to mount their portable RX to it and come back a few hours later to bring it home and post process what they got :-) 73, Stefan