Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u59KRQRL014189 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:27:26 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1bB6PI-0003V6-0J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:18:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1bB6PB-0003Ux-E8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:18:17 +0100 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bB6P9-0004KB-Im for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:18:16 +0100 Received: from dovecot03.posteo.de (dovecot03.posteo.de [172.16.0.13]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 125A020C06 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:18:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot03.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3rQc7Q6Y2Qz5vMJ for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:18:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5759CF02.4060005@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:18:10 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1685128417.20160531153441@chriswilson.tv> <844647135.20160607150703@chriswilson.tv> <5757E24F.1050507@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <5757E24F.1050507@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: ULF: A first step on the 100 km band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8243 Hi Paul, It's to early to start an ULF experiment between me and you. But some preparations could be helpful. How do you estimate the sensitivity of your RX system on 2970 Hz? Is the spectrum clean or do you suffer from Mains QRM? Did you already put some attention to this band? 73, Stefan Am 08.06.2016 11:15, schrieb DK7FC: > Hi all, > > I've got a first result with my ULF project: One of the ideas to > generate and radiate a signal on the 100 km band to use a ferrite > power transformer with using two E cores out of N27 material. These > are available at https://www.buerklin.com/de/e-kern/p/83d970 > At 2970 Hz i can apply 1 V / turn without saturating the core, maybe > even more. I think i can generate 3 kV (rms) with one transformer > without a risk of a flashover. And i can set an air gap between the > two E cores. > > For 2970 Hz i need L = 6.1 H! Now without an air gap i need about 800 > turns (hand wound!)to resonate the antenna. So i can apply 800 V now. > On 2970 Hz, my antenna radiation resistance is 70 uOhm. With 800V on > the wire it radiates 6 nW! > The distance to my remote site is 3.5 km or 0.035 lambda. > > I'm TXing since last night and got a trace of up to 15 dB SNR in 424 > uHz. Quite weak but it's a first step. > The signal was radiated with an E field antenna and received with a H > field antenna, so there could be a better result in the near field. > > I' now planning to wind more turns on the transformer and add an air > gap to keep the inductance and rise the voltage limit. > > 73, Stefan