Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, PLING_QUERY,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u4GA6FE3000404 for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 12:06:15 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1b2FLg-0002bx-37 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2016 11:02:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1b2FLf-0002bo-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2016 11:02:03 +0100 Received: from smtp-out01.xworks.net ([31.25.48.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1b2FLe-0003Po-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2016 11:02:02 +0100 Received: from mailbackend2 (cluster06.xworks.net [10.100.1.80]) by smtp-out01.xworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF0D5F7DA for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 12:02:01 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=kabelmail.de Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kabelmail.de; s=mail; t=1463392921; bh=TZMmAQYqyhF0M22WiRJl6brfONloR8ZmxEDaPTIFiFE=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To: Content-Type; b=khvVbM6aeomoSmiFjr8jishUm9Pfb3rxGUpcoY3I9kNHnfITlJEVu1DHvt0lYQjER OhvwsJI3RM8fESH8Xcv0Bdh5SJJLJap37KcESRJYtjiGVwNdMj9DaEZyhbT7wgoQjq 4Tia6hj0LhHaz/geZTSyQb61mu8hPSsmgDGD9pQo= Received: from [192.168.178.33] (ipbcc1500e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [188.193.80.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpa.mediabeam.com with ESMTP id u4GA1wSt027006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 12:01:59 +0200 X-mediaBEAM-Originating-IP: [188.193.80.14] X-mediaBEAM-AUTHID: [DK1IS@kabelmail.de] To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5737138D.4050807@posteo.de> <245E116B-93B7-4A7D-AD24-FA4B8A8898BA@hurontel.on.ca> <1771641848.20160514171621@chriswilson.tv> <57385CB1.2060207@posteo.de> <0b4fc498-0a8a-3c68-bc32-f2ae87c03315@freenet.de> <41c714b5-bac6-d9ef-6430-49e9ff2f3212@kabelmail.de> <5f823ab8-f3a6-8880-2196-57307441322a@freenet.de> From: DK1IS Message-ID: <4db51520-b37d-a652-2d46-82acf1c7459e@kabelmail.de> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 12:02:16 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5f823ab8-f3a6-8880-2196-57307441322a@freenet.de> X-mediaBEAM-AuthCheck: route13 X-mediaBEAM-AuthScore: 1.9/5.0, scanned in 0.969sec X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtpa.mediabeam.com id u4GA1wSt027006 X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: Re: LF: A transductor instead of a traditional variometer on VLF/LF/MF? Done! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id u4GA6FE3000404 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8089 Am 16.05.2016 um 11:20 schrieb Wolfgang Büscher: > Or, depending on how the ring core is oriented in the "mostly air > core" coil, the AC flux lines would run perpendicular to the DC flux, > which also eliminate the need for a large AC-blocking coil for the DC > exciation. That´s right, Wolf, but I think Stefans latest approach is to use the transductor as an external inductivity in series with the main coil and no longer as a ferrite core with controllable permeability inside the main coil (what should be possible too). Nice idea anyway but as Roeloff alredy asked: what about the Q of the variable unit? Its influence on the whole system shouldn´t be so large because of the only small variable part of the inductivity but one should take care for a possible heating of the transductor cores at full antenna current. Already tested, Stefan? 73, Tom, DK1IS