Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u4EJDGfh028406 for ; Sat, 14 May 2016 21:13:16 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1b1ew1-0005cJ-6N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2016 20:09:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1b1evt-0005cA-Fn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2016 20:09:01 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([2a02:2c40:0:c0::25:130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1b1evr-0007J5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2016 20:09:00 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 9850A128083.AF1CF X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-1e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.33]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9850A128083 for ; Sat, 14 May 2016 21:08:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXMBX19.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-exmbx19.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.11.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95C6E40A8 for ; Sat, 14 May 2016 21:08:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXMBX27.luna.kuleuven.be (10.112.11.62) by ICTS-S-EXMBX19.luna.kuleuven.be (10.112.11.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1156.6; Sat, 14 May 2016 21:08:55 +0200 Received: from ICTS-S-EXMBX27.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::291a:cc4f:6953:698a]) by ICTS-S-EXMBX27.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::291a:cc4f:6953:698a%34]) with mapi id 15.00.1156.000; Sat, 14 May 2016 21:08:55 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: A transductor instead of a traditional variometer on VLF/LF/MF? Thread-Index: AQHRrdjgFYjK60q7lEm4wkM3ft2tR5+4y9DG Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 19:08:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1463252933796.15315@fys.kuleuven.be> References: <5737138D.4050807@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <5737138D.4050807@posteo.de> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-GB, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.112.50.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 2a02:2c40:0:c0::25:130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: LF: Re: A transductor instead of a traditional variometer on VLF/LF/MF? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id u4EJDGfh028406 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8066 Hi Stefan, that could work. Long time ago I did read an article on magnetic amplifiers from a K7... ham (if I remember well). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org namens DK7FC Verzonden: zaterdag 14 mei 2016 14:01 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: A transductor instead of a traditional variometer on VLF/LF/MF? Hi all, During thinking about a solution for a automatic variometer for my VLF coil i got the idea of using a transductor instead. Will this work? See: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transduktor_%28Elektrotechnik%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier On LF/MF and VLF many of us are using typical variometers for manual or automatic resonance correction of the transmit system. Due to the multi-layer VLF TX coil with a forced air flow in the center it is not easy (or not possible) to put an additional rotatable coil in the center to adjust the resonance frequency within a small range. So i need another solution. One solution could be to accept the non-resonance and run a higher voltage on the output transformer to keep the antenna current constant. But this will cause losses on the linear working PA and works only in a very limited range, due to the Q of the system. So it would be better to have a chance to steer the resonance anyway! But how? Now, what about a transductor? A ferrite core inside the main field of the coil. It must have a winding and a variable DC current from an external power supply. The DC current can saturate the core and change its effective µr for the external AC magnetic field. If this works, then it is a non-mechanical solution! No motor, no axis, no end switches, no mechanical self oscillation, no broken RF litz wire on the rotating elements, fast changing of the resonance frequency. Has someone tried that on LF before? 73, Stefan PS: I will start to try that on VLF, IMMEDIATELY! :-)