Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1356; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u3U9XN5F006666 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:33:23 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1awRE1-0004DT-KG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:30:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1awRE1-0004DK-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:30:09 +0100 Received: from mail-ig0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c05::236]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1awRDz-00008P-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:30:07 +0100 Received: by mail-ig0-x236.google.com with SMTP id u10so44659575igr.1 for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 02:30:06 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=is5qy/f1NwHD7OiKHng+e/GZf0r422ZvPfXwL2TGN6s=; b=ynz+YXCXuQG4QAGPzH37Dp8b860nOYuxxOXaaqkvaum/VL5DVheKx2mRtp6Un9C9je hY1nx7y6Pm9x6UsrcPT0j0drbP9ekPwjP6lGyfiBjwh5uucmCAgp5rpWaPwRk/be72SM XS7j1K8cyTEohh0xrRAZwANT7pELC0ULkrTvXLbMWrVAlshebLzsUWYpU93lDiQqrDLM VXij01Ao3Q40KpUSSR+njKn2sktL691bbzN7GFE3Evi3LAXf5SajVlMy19QmsNjKXRcm yAYjr32w7rOh3DEeIM7iCvY1pdqMJKY4MgSosb7B00nLxEtbcKba/olqgosMo27Md9Be XILg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=is5qy/f1NwHD7OiKHng+e/GZf0r422ZvPfXwL2TGN6s=; b=kgLgDB9gPuEki+NtmXlsAvJMzSNKo0WloMS4IFMN5ZHtxroG7Oklf4Fu44tS5Fft1n pBp0NtiPfAwi2xJJA2VHC2Gym7a0CVPBkBIb7qxf9EQhzuKV1wKczOVADsClkxvrtJtB OLkMLvoVssLUyvc2tTsavWxNK8nLA5rWpb9N9lEUc0opFE9URB0PPXFKBB4RrxvX6+90 K+Wn8w6wl80GRPxuvHlGRentLY099Pu3nSBhznKvXGtThv4CW9muVAfzG8Jtc8wBY6C4 vKe7Pe6uTZ7C2hipEp/9du6Qz3RmGWtfsynHne1Lf1gc+d5HPsZ4o1twJN3jV8NSyNm0 G1zg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVkNabWOqxcS8q7U6MGzkeaF9mhcEDsioLHnuJq15XlDQIh6CJB1qFEiw8yhaQejwPPqITPmNaG03OD9Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.154.10 with SMTP id vk10mr9568449igb.15.1462008604965; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 02:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.132.148 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 02:30:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <57247732.5020600@gmail.com> References: <57247732.5020600@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:30:04 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 21e2055b299bd63ed331c37c8a3e15ca Subject: Re: LF: tribute at Claude Shannon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd755c48ec6a20531b0675b X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7943 --047d7bd755c48ec6a20531b0675b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Strictly, Shannon was a mathematician who approached information theory from a non engineering perspective. And the famous Shannon curve giving the absolute theoretical limit of performance for a communications channel was, I believed, developed by trying to pack spheres into a volume - or some equally non-related piece of ephemera. Occasionally it needs someone with no background in the engineering side of things to develop a basic theory that sets a limit or reality check on what the specialists in an area are trying. Another case like this is the Chu limit relating Q, size and efficiency of antenna (or bandwidth, size and loss, or some other set of three similar parameters). This Chu, or Chu-Harrington limit (Google it) shows why small magnetic loop antennas are narrow band, or lossy, or both. The equation was developed purely mathematically, with no reference to real antennas at all and defines a lint to what can be done with real ones Andy G4JNT On 30 April 2016 at 10:13, IZ7SLZ wrote: > Hi EbNauters, > > Google.it today's logo reminds the 100th anniversary of Claude Shannon > birthday: > > > https://www.google.it/logos/doodles/2016/claude-shannons-100th-birthday-5731852344098816.3-hp.gif > > I'm following with many interest the EbNaut VLF experiments from DK7FC, > DF6NM, Paul Nicholson and others and i want to say a big thank-you to all > people involved (including DL4YHF, DJ8WX,..) for sharing their works, > opinions and results. > > And, of course, a big thanks to Scientist like Shannon for their valuable > "opera" (from Latin) that have given us the theoric bases for our "games". > > A good week end to all. > > 73, Domenico iz7slz > > > --047d7bd755c48ec6a20531b0675b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Strictly, Shannon was a mathematician who approached = information theory from a non engineering perspective.=C2=A0=C2=A0 And the = famous Shannon curve giving the absolute theoretical limit of performance f= or a communications channel was, I believed, developed by trying to pack sp= heres into a=C2=A0volume - or some equally non-related piece of ephemera.

Occasionally it needs someone with no background in= the engineering side of things=C2=A0to develop=C2=A0a basic theory that se= ts a limit or reality check on what the specialists in an area are trying.<= /div>

Another case like this is the Chu limit relating Q= , size and efficiency of antenna (or bandwidth, size and loss, or some othe= r set of three=C2=A0similar parameters).=C2=A0=C2=A0 This Chu, or Chu-Harri= ngton limit (Google it) =C2=A0shows why small magnetic loop antennas are na= rrow band, or lossy, or both.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The equation was developed purely= mathematically, with no reference to real antennas at all and defines a li= nt to what can be done with real ones

Andy=C2=A0 G= 4JNT


On 30 April 2016 at 10:13, IZ7SLZ <iz= 7slz.domenico@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi EbNauters,

Google.it=C2=A0 today's logo reminds the 100th anniversary of Claude Sh= annon birthday:

htt= ps://www.google.it/logos/doodles/2016/claude-shannons-100th-birthday-573185= 2344098816.3-hp.gif

I'm following with many interest the EbNaut VLF experiments from DK7FC,= DF6NM, Paul Nicholson and others and i want to say a big thank-you to all = people involved (including DL4YHF, DJ8WX,..) for sharing their works, opini= ons and results.

And,=C2=A0 of course, a big thanks to Scientist like Shannon for their valu= able "opera" (from Latin)=C2=A0 that have given us the theoric ba= ses for our "games".

A good week end to all.

73, Domenico iz7slz



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